Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:18 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > > On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a > > > package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:27 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:18 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > > > On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a >

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 11/28/2010 06:38 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: Maybe wait until GNOME 3 actually gets released before put something unstable and useless in [extra] needlessly. our experience in packaging software, fixing bugs and debugging is far superior than yours. we have just made a small step in adding

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 18:44 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 11/28/2010 06:38 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > > > Maybe wait until GNOME 3 actually gets released before put something > > unstable and useless in [extra] needlessly. > > > > our experience in packaging software, fixing bugs and debugging

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Rasmus Steinke
Let me answer on your points... Fine, Then I'll list all of its problems right here: - It's unstable. NEVER crashed on me... - It's got far too many unresolved bugs the upstream developers defer INCORRECTLY elsewhere simply because they can't be bothered to fix their software. Possible, tho

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Rasmus Steinke's message of 2010-11-28 18:00:52 +0100: > Let me answer on your points... > > > Fine, Then I'll list all of its problems right here: > > > > - It's unstable. > NEVER crashed on me... >From the PA page: "Current Status The PulseAudio daemon and utilities are still under

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:38 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:27 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > GNOME 3 isn't even released yet. There's no CURRENT dependency in Arch, > in [extra], for Pulse Audio. Others have explained this to you already. > > Fine, Then I'll list all of its

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread fons
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:28:45AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > The ONLY major ALSA 'feature' which is not supported is memmap. Direct > access to the sound-card's memory. Pulseaudio's devs are of the opinion > that this cannot and should not be emulated, and that apps which use it > are broken in de

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Morgan Gangwere
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:28:45 +0800 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > - It's unstable. > > - It's got far too many unresolved bugs the upstream developers defer > > INCORRECTLY elsewhere simply because they can't be bothered to fix their > > software. > > Where you've mentioned specific bugs below I'll answer

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:10 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:28:45AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > > The ONLY major ALSA 'feature' which is not supported is memmap. Direct > > access to the sound-card's memory. Pulseaudio's devs are of the opinion > > that this cannot

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-29 Thread fons
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:31:06AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > Thanks fons, I was under the mmap alsa capability implied direct control > over the hardware's memory. It probably does in some cases (e.g. a hw: device on a PCI bus), but only to the sample data - there's no direct access to any contro

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-29 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Morgan Gangwere wrote: > As well, Pulse still doesn't work on my Alienware laptop. Realtek > chipset, hda_intel picks it up as being generic. things almost work, > except headphones. PA will only let sound go through the front > speakers, while ALSA just has a switch. Its a known WONTFIX bug, too.

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-29 Thread Ulf Winkelvos
On 29.11.2010 23:25, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: Morgan Gangwere wrote: As well, Pulse still doesn't work on my Alienware laptop. Realtek chipset, hda_intel picks it up as being generic. things almost work, except headphones. PA will only let sound go through the front speakers, while ALSA just ha

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-29 Thread Sander Jansen
2010/11/29 "Jérôme M. Berger" : > Morgan Gangwere wrote: >> As well, Pulse still doesn't work on my Alienware laptop. Realtek >> chipset, hda_intel picks it up as being generic. things almost work, >> except headphones. PA will only let sound go through the front >> speakers, while ALSA just has a

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Morgan Gangwere
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sander Jansen wrote: > So most likely the driver needs to be fixed instead. its not even that -- realtek's driver for it is patched against some godforsakenly old version of ALSA. > >>> >>        This bug is even worse for me: the only output that PA will >> reco

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Sander Jansen
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Morgan Gangwere <0.fracta...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sander Jansen wrote: >> So most likely the driver needs to be fixed instead. > > its not even that -- realtek's driver for it is patched against some > godforsakenly old version of A

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Ulf Winkelvos wrote: > On 29.11.2010 23:25, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: >> Morgan Gangwere wrote: >>> As well, Pulse still doesn't work on my Alienware laptop. Realtek >>> chipset, hda_intel picks it up as being generic. things almost work, >>> except headphones. PA will only let sound go through the

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Sander Jansen wrote: > 2010/11/29 "Jérôme M. Berger" : >> Morgan Gangwere wrote: >>> As well, Pulse still doesn't work on my Alienware laptop. Realtek >>> chipset, hda_intel picks it up as being generic. things almost work, >>> except headphones. PA will only let sound go through the front >>> spea

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 20:41 +0100, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Sander Jansen wrote: > > 2010/11/29 "Jérôme M. Berger" : > >>This bug is even worse for me: the only output that PA will > >> recognize on my system is the HDMI output from my *video* card! I > >> don't have any HDMI capable per