Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:52:13 -0500 Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not forget Loui, We are all human and make mistakes. A QA process is definitely a good thing. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: On Fri 23 Dec 2011 10:42 +,

[arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
Hello everyone, I was reading the package signing discussion that was going on over at the [pacman-dev] mailing list http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2011-February/012483.html and Allan said the following: I think I know every distribution using pacman as a package manager and

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Allan McRae
On 23/12/11 20:32, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Hello everyone, I was reading the package signing discussion that was going on over at the [pacman-dev] mailing list http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2011-February/012483.html and Allan said the following: I think I know every

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Stefan Wilkens
2011/12/23 Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com: Hello everyone, I was reading the package signing discussion that was going on over at the [pacman-dev] mailing list http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2011-February/012483.html and Allan said the following: I think I know

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
Thanks for the response. Do you consider Arch a production system or more of a hobby project? Meaning more like a side system and not a main one. On Dec 23, 2011 5:39 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 23/12/11 20:32, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Hello everyone, I was reading the

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 05:32:25 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: I wanted to know what was he trying to say? Is he saying that Arch and other Arch-like distros aren't serious distros that aren't meant for production? I mean I understand that Arch is rolling release and all that, but it's packages are

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Allan McRae
On 23/12/11 20:41, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Thanks for the response. Do you consider Arch a production system or more of a hobby project? Meaning more like a side system and not a main one. I have used it in production. But then again, I have quite a good idea of what is happening in Arch Land

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana
I simply believe that a man should know how Linux works, and not how Arch Linux or Debian or Fedora works. Basic approach, not distro-oriented approach. So I agree with Allan, you can't be depending on a single distro, you need to know how to deal with every single Linux system (major distros at

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
I agree. After a person uses Linux for a while, they start to notice that most distros are pretty identical. The only things that change are package names, package manager, packages used, directory structure (where do we install packages, man files, etc), and the philosophy/goals of that distro.

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
Let's not forget Loui, We are all human and make mistakes. A QA process is definitely a good thing. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: On Fri 23 Dec 2011 10:42 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: On Friday 23 Dec 2011 05:32:25 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: I

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana
However, I think Arch is a good distro for every purpose, from desktop to server, because of it's usercentricness. If you break something, you can fall back and most of the times, if you broke a system component, it's your fault. There's [testing] and maintainers don't push unattended dangerous

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:52:13 -0500 schrieb Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com: Let's not forget Loui, We are all human and make mistakes. A QA process is definitely a good thing. Is QA the thing what makes Debian so bleeding edge? *SCNR* I haven't had any stability issues with Arch

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
Yup it is QA for Arch's model which is what I was going to yell you when I started reading your response ;). It depends how you implement QA. On Dec 23, 2011 4:31 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:52:13 -0500 schrieb Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com:

Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications

2011-12-23 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:52:13 -0500 schrieb Jonathan Vasquez jvasquez1...@gmail.com: Let's not forget Loui, We are all human and make mistakes. A QA process is definitely a good thing. Is QA the thing what makes