Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
There is customizepkg in AUR which can greatly simplify and help. I agree that it is not practical to build everything(otherwise it will be a gentoo). However,what i have seen is dependencies are like A->B->C and C gets A added sometimes as dependency, in which case recompiling B alone should h

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Ray Kohler
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote: >> One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should >> not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are >> plenty

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread André Ramaciotti da Silva
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote: > One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should > not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are > plenty of packages which have additional dependencies like that mplayer(like

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are plenty of packages which have additional dependencies like that mplayer(like smbclient) or vlc(hal :) or lua). And secondly, if you have stuff like ha

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Aaron Griffin
2009/12/2 Ng Oon-Ee : > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:06 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: >> > Thomas Bächler wrote: >> >> I consider such statements an insult >> > >> > Sorry Thomas, >> > my response was retarded. >> > >> > can you help me find anoth

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:06 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > > Thomas Bächler wrote: > >> I consider such statements an insult > > > > Sorry Thomas, > > my response was retarded. > > > > can you help me find another term i should use > > to deno

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Thomas Bächler wrote: >> I consider such statements an insult > > Sorry Thomas, > my response was retarded. > > can you help me find another term i should use > to denote the desktop idea, that is not offensive? In general, it is called the

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > "gnomies"  "mouse users" > etc is all the same level of offensiveness. > I lack ideas here. No, I think you just are furious because you can have things working without losing 5 days of your life. Maybe you are just old and until they make a

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Geoff
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:53:21 +0100 Arvid Picciani wrote: > > can you help me find another term i should use > to denote the desktop idea, that is not offensive? > "integrationist" ?

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Arvid Picciani
Thomas Bächler wrote: > I consider such statements an insult Sorry Thomas, my response was retarded. can you help me find another term i should use to denote the desktop idea, that is not offensive? I'll propably need it for further discussion, and prefer NOT to piss of people. "gnomies" "mou

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:15 +0530, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > But you can see your xorg-server-antidesktop into the official > packages. Have a look at the wiki for AUR. It clearly says that > packages start as being in AUR and then finally end up in the official > repository after getting enough supp

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: >> and may be give it the status that if finally makes to >> the official Arch repository ? > > I'm uncertain about how to handle this right now. It would require a > mediator for me to contribute to arch as i am incapable of findin

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Arvid Picciani
Piyush P Kurur wrote: Okey so you agree that Arch != Ubuntu. Now we have a way forward. heh yeah, sorry, that comparison is rather childish. I regret i responded to Thomas mail... Arvid's reply to me made me search for antidesktop (I did not know about such a movement) i have no idea

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Thomas Bächler
Arvid Picciani schrieb: like what? maybe you are feeling insecure about it? Yes, I am so insecure. You are right, I am going to kill myself just now. There is a saying in my native language that goes like: "Dogs only bite if you hit their spot." Old sayings like this are usually stupid. T

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:28:37AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Piyush P Kurur wrote: > > >> switch from Debian stable on my laptop. It is definitely far better >> than the monstrosity of Ubuntu or Fedora. I dont know how you find it >> otherwise. > > err yeah,.. i guess if you have other distros

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Juan Diego
I don't think arch general list is the appropriated to fight like kids so please continue your little fight using your own personal email. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Thomas Bächler wrote: >> >> Apologize for being  an asshole. > > I have not intended to insult arch de

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Arvid Picciani
Thomas Bächler wrote: Apologize for being an asshole. I have not intended to insult arch developers, and i apologize if i did,.. You can either apologize to me now or STFU to everyone but you, just to anger you. and get yourself another distro well i guess that settles any ultimatum pr

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Arvid Picciani
Piyush P Kurur wrote: I use xmonad and share your dislike for hal/dbus. This however does not justify not having a decent PnP particulary it would ... when you want to install it for non-experts. .. if what i THOUGHT archlinux is about (experts) was true. However you appear to agree tha

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Thomas Bächler
Arvid Picciani schrieb: Thanks to enough input i have learned two things of this thread: 1) The problem IS upstream related. Some packages do enable dbus when it is available, for the convenience of those users who do not understand what dbus is and hence need it. So every user who wants

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:55:22AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Thanks to enough input i have learned two things of this thread: > > 1) The problem IS upstream related. Some packages do enable >dbus when it is available, for the convenience of those users >who do not understand what dbus

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 02/12/09 09:55, Arvid Picciani wrote: Thanks to enough input i have learned two things of this thread: 1) The problem IS upstream related. Some packages do enable dbus when it is available, for the convenience of those users who do not understand what dbus is and hence need it. Arch

[arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-02 Thread Arvid Picciani
Thanks to enough input i have learned two things of this thread: 1) The problem IS upstream related. Some packages do enable dbus when it is available, for the convenience of those users who do not understand what dbus is and hence need it. Archs philosophy dictates, that if the upstrea