On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:49:13 +1000
Mick wrote:
> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
>
> Is there some way to be fore-warned of these up
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:56:11 -0500
Dwight Schauer wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Mick wrote:
> > I did make a mistake when I chose Arch. I asked friends on yahoo chat
> > for suggestions for a replacement my then distro when it focused on
> > eye-candy to the detriment of function an
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:39:35 -0600
Brendan Long wrote:
> On 2011-10-27 11:14 PM, Mick wrote:
> > My primary desire for updates is for:
> > 1.) security fixes
> > 2.) bug fixes
> >
> > I don't need to update for new features unless its a feature I need,
> > in which case I am happy to chase it mys
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 00:14, Mick wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:34:50 +0800
> Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>
> >
> > Am I the only one reading this thread who sees the inherent
> > contradiction of wanting complete control over your system, wanting
> > things not to break, yet wanting software to be (r
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mick wrote:
> ...
> made the change but it didn't work, if I can't find what they butchered
> this time before the night freight train to Cairns grinds past in half
> an hour I'll give up and re-install tomorrow.
If you can't fix it in the current install, how is
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Mick wrote:
> I did make a mistake when I chose Arch. I asked friends on yahoo chat
> for suggestions for a replacement my then distro when it focused on
> eye-candy to the detriment of function and several suggested Arch. It
> was only when the problems I raised
On (10/28/11 12:24), Mick wrote:
-~> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:24:13 -0500
-~> Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~>
-~> > On (10/27/11 17:49), Mick wrote:
-~> > -~> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
-~> > -~> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
-~>
On 2011-10-27 8:24 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:24:13 -0500
> Leonid Isaev wrote:
>
>> On (10/27/11 17:49), Mick wrote:
>> -~> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
>> -~> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
>> -~> desktop (in
On 2011-10-27 11:14 PM, Mick wrote:
> My primary desire for updates is for:
> 1.) security fixes
> 2.) bug fixes
>
> I don't need to update for new features unless its a feature I need,
> in which case I am happy to chase it myself and expect problems.
>
> The fact that these particular issues keep
> Am I the only one reading this thread who sees the inherent
> contradiction of wanting complete control over your system, wanting
> things not to break, yet wanting software to be (relatively
> frequently) updated?
I think the source of the problem is the lack of communication and
documentation
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Mick wrote:
> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
>
> Is there some way to be fore-warned of these update
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:48:21 +0300
Jesse Jaara wrote:
> > My primary desire for updates is for:
> > 1.) security fixes
> > 2.) bug fixes
> >
> > I don't need to update for new features unless its a feature I need,
>
> Well we dont do backporting so it is FIXES+FEATURES or nothing.
> Cherrypickin
> My primary desire for updates is for:
> 1.) security fixes
> 2.) bug fixes
>
> I don't need to update for new features unless its a feature I need,
Well we dont do backporting so it is FIXES+FEATURES or nothing.
Cherrypicking updates is no sollution, as soname bumps are reality.
> can clear any
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:34:50 +0800
Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>
> Am I the only one reading this thread who sees the inherent
> contradiction of wanting complete control over your system, wanting
> things not to break, yet wanting software to be (relatively
> frequently) updated?
All I'm asking for is a
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Mick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:30:50 -0500
> C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
>>
>> the sources of error are likely not a thin smear of software that,
>> imo, makes the entire experience much better and enables fine-grained
>> access control ... i mean group per
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:30:50 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
> the sources of error are likely not a thin smear of software that,
> imo, makes the entire experience much better and enables fine-grained
> access control ... i mean group perms are nice and all, but they are
> incredibly coarse,
> Personally I'm not using neither gui file browser nor consolekit
> session and make use of the group based permission because I know how
> to handle things, and I can look up eventual barriers in my way
> quickly and reliably enough. I mount usb drives manually and generally
> lay hands on my sys
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:24:13 -0500
Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On (10/27/11 17:49), Mick wrote:
> -~> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> -~> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> -~> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tethe
On 27-10-2011 19:59, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Fine: s/modern linux system/modern linux desktop system/. But, are you sure
> you understand the difference between local and remote users?
According to the documentation, local users are the ones that have
access to a physical keyboard, mouse and display
On 10/27/2011 02:34 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote:
On 10/27/11 at 12:25pm, Leonid Isaev wrote:
Wheel has to done manually, of course. What *kit does, in a nutshell, is just
elevate priviledges of local users over remote, so you can have control over
devices attached to your machine.
Should this b
On (10/27/11 21:34), Manolo Martínez wrote:
-~> On 10/27/11 at 12:25pm, Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~> > On (10/27/11 18:48), Manolo Martínez wrote:
-~> > -~> On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~> > -~> > you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on
a modern
-~> > -~> > li
On 10/27/11 at 12:25pm, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On (10/27/11 18:48), Manolo Martínez wrote:
> -~> On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> -~> > you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a
> modern
> -~> > linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users.
> -
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 07:14:36PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote:
> Personally I'm not using neither gui file browser nor consolekit
> session and make use of the group based permission because I know how
> to handle things, and I can look up eventual barriers in my way
> quickly and reliably enough.
On (10/27/11 19:29), Mauro Santos wrote:
-~> On 27-10-2011 17:48, Manolo Martínez wrote:
-~> > On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~> >> you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a
modern
-~> >> linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users.
-~> >
-
Am Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:14:26 -0400
schrieb Isaac Dupree :
> Is that true? I don't see it in the Arch announcements (also shown
> as news on the website), which I would hope it would be if it was a
> newly required change.
>
> (Also I last updated two days ago, still am using "exec
> ck-launch-s
On 27-10-2011 17:48, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>> you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a modern
>> linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users.
>
> And wheel?
>
And video, uucp, kvm, just to name a few.
--
On 27-10-2011 17:24, Jesse Juhani Jaara wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:43:11AM +1000, Mick wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:09:48 +0200
>> Karol Blazewicz wrote:
>>
>> I have just scanned the last 18 months of arch-general and
>> arch-announce list archives and found nothing that looked even
On (10/27/11 19:14), Martti Kühne wrote:
-~> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~> >
-~> > OK, which update you are talking about?
-~> >
-~> > Shutdown problems probably come from upower. Your user would loose
control of
-~> > external devices only if you were in the storage/di
On 10/27/2011 12:14 PM, Martti Kühne wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
OK, which update you are talking about?
Shutdown problems probably come from upower. Your user would loose control of
external devices only if you were in the storage/disk groups. Adding youself t
On (10/27/11 18:48), Manolo Martínez wrote:
-~> On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
-~> > you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a
modern
-~> > linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users.
-~>
-~> And wheel?
Wheel has to done manually, of cour
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>
> OK, which update you are talking about?
>
> Shutdown problems probably come from upower. Your user would loose control of
> external devices only if you were in the storage/disk groups. Adding youself
> to
> these groups was your mistake, s
On 10/27/11 at 11:24am, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a modern
> linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users.
And wheel?
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:43:11AM +1000, Mick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:09:48 +0200
> Karol Blazewicz wrote:
>
> I have just scanned the last 18 months of arch-general and
> arch-announce list archives and found nothing that looked even vaguely
> like "if you install this-package-update yo
On (10/27/11 17:49), Mick wrote:
-~> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
-~> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
-~> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
-~>
-~> Is there some way to be fore-warned of these updates
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:09:48 +0200
Karol Blazewicz wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Mick wrote:
> > Is there some way to be fore-warned of these updates coming online
> > and avoid them or be ready with clear info on how to repair the
> > damage they are set to create.
> >
> > mick
> >
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:15:32 +0200
Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:49:13 +1000
> schrieb Mick :
>
> > Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> > sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> > desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:45:20 +0200
Martti Kühne wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Mick wrote:
> > Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> > sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> > desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of m
On 10/27/2011 04:15 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
Am Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:49:13 +1000
schrieb Mick:
Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
Remove ck
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Mick wrote:
> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
hello
Indeed recent updateds did fuck around with gro
Am Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:49:13 +1000
schrieb Mick :
> Following yet another update that has disabled user control of USB
> sticks, cameras, etc. and blocked user from shutting down from the
> desktop (in my case xfce4), I am at the end of my tether.
Remove ck-launch-session from your ~/.xinitrc aga
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Mick wrote:
> Is there some way to be fore-warned of these updates coming online and
> avoid them or be ready with clear info on how to repair the damage they
> are set to create.
>
> mick
>
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