Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-04 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Arvid: Linux from scratch.

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-04 Thread Lukáš Jirkovský
2009/12/3 Arvid Picciani : >>> Allan McRae wrote: >>> I personally think your mis-reading the "Arch Way". > > >> So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I >> thought we had been through that many, many times. > > > Can we, independently of the technical details of

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:08:29 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? I've been following this thread off an on. Great to see you having an opinion and standing up for it, the s

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 14:00 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > For a thread with subject "peaceful" this has really gone downhill. > > Anyway, I doubt anybody that "matters" in terms of making decisions > around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of > emails out of some sort of mo

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Allan McRae
For a thread with subject "peaceful" this has really gone downhill. Anyway, I doubt anybody that "matters" in terms of making decisions around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of emails out of some sort of morbid curiosity... Allan

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 04:36 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > > Arvid Picciani wrote: > >> It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way. > > Nathan Wayde wrote: > > I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep > > confirming my theory. > > a I found a problem > b I

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Arvid Picciani wrote: It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way. Nathan Wayde wrote: I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep confirming my theory. a I found a problem b I made aware of the problem c I have provided patches d I have provided package

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 03/12/09 23:49, Arvid Picciani wrote: Heiko Baums wrote: Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this distro. This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these users are not welcome

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: So why do you continue ranting about Arch? I tried not to. All i wanted is a clear cut, but i think i'm alone with that wish, so i'll stop beating it. You're the ones who'll have to deal with this procedure over and over again (not with me. no worries) -- Arvid Asgaard

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:49:14 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these > users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up the user > bases. Ultimately so both sides can continue their life without the > constant (and i'm mea

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:49 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Heiko Baums wrote: > > > Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess > > you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this > > distro. > > This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Dwight Schauer
2009/12/3 Arvid Picciani : > Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > >> I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the >> 'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism. > > then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism. > >> Throughout this thread the vibe I've been gettin

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this distro. This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up t

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:08:29 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about > minimalism. This statement shouldn't be removed. Minimalism doesn't mean that no optional features are compiled into a package. Minimalism also doesn't mean that every pack

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, wrote: > I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with > lots of useless dependencies to move to Ubuntu or Fedora > so everybody can stop wasting his/her time. I wouldn't go that far. That kind of attitude is what derails the conversation. Again, simpli

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Sébastien Leblanc wrote: Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk. Please use the kill thread option of your MUA. Messages like this aren't helping anyone, and are especcialy not helping to minimize the thread length. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk.

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? Bad spelling and foul language. Yeah once again i fail at not offending a

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
2009/12/3 Ng Oon-Ee : > Arch is what you make it. I think you nailed it. I always thought the Arch Way as a principle, not a rule. We're not a religion, neither a nation. The few rules we have are for the well of the community, so that it can go forward without losing time with nitpicking. The Ar

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread fons
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell > minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? Bad spelling and foul language. I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with lots of useles

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Ng Oon-Ee wrote: I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the 'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism. then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism. Throughout this thread the vibe I've been getting for you is that you somehow feel disa

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 23:23 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > >> Allan McRae wrote: > >> > >>> I personally think your mis-reading the "Arch Way". > > > > So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I > > thought we had been through that many, many times. > > > Can we, i