[arch-general] Xorg strange keyboard behaviour

2009-10-26 Thread Philipp Gesang
Good morning, since a few days I'm experiencing an unwanted behaviour in X: after some time, apparently when cycling keyboard layouts, the key just don't work as expected anymore. For example pressing RALT will give return, the left arrow will be remapped to change group etc. Terminating and

Re: [arch-general] Xorg strange keyboard behaviour

2009-10-26 Thread Borislav Gerassimov
2009/10/26 Philipp Gesang : > Good morning, > > > since a few days I'm experiencing an unwanted behaviour in X: after some time, > apparently when cycling keyboard layouts, the key just don't work as expected > anymore.  For example pressing RALT will give return, the left arrow will be > remapped

Re: [arch-general] Xorg strange keyboard behaviour

2009-10-26 Thread Xavier
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Borislav Gerassimov wrote: > 2009/10/26 Philipp Gesang : >> Good morning, >> >> >> since a few days I'm experiencing an unwanted behaviour in X: after some >> time, >> apparently when cycling keyboard layouts, the key just don't work as expected >> anymore.  For

[arch-general] Hardinfo doesn´t show USB Infos a fter Kernel Update

2009-10-26 Thread Jürgen Hagemann
Hello. after a kernel Update, hardinfo from community repo doesn´t show any USB Device Informations. If I boot my alternate LTS-Kernel all infos are shown. -- Jürgen

[arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very sluggish and incomple

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Vesa Kaihlavirta
> So basically, where are we at? > KDE 3.5 is Windows XP > KDE 4.3 is Windows Vista > ??? is Windows 7 awesome is Windows 1 --vk

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Allan McRae
RedShift wrote: This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. So you posted in both the forums and here... Seriously, get a blog. All

[arch-general] polkit v.s policykit

2009-10-26 Thread Mathieu Clabaut
Hello all, It appears I've got two similar packages on my computer: - polkit, which is needed by the following packages : :: consolekit: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: devicekit-disks: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: devicekit-power: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: gconf: requiert polkit>=0.94 :: polkit-gnome: requ

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
Allan McRae wrote: RedShift wrote: This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. So you posted in both the forums and here... Serious

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Jozsef
On 26 Oct 2009 at 11:57, RedShift wrote: > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post > my > story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the > technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > > > I've been working these past few mon

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
Jozsef wrote: I guess you are right about everything. As a desktop Windows is better than KDE. If desktop is all that is matter for you then you should go for it :) By the way Alt+F2 is something I like in KDE4.3.2 for example. What about you? Is there anything you like in KDE4.3? I think i

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Phillip Smith
2009/10/26 RedShift > Allan McRae wrote: > >> So you posted in both the forums and here... >> >> Seriously, get a blog. >> >> > Yes I did, because I feel the more technical people roam the mailinglists > and the more casual user the forums. I want to hear all the sides. > > "I am talking about th

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Stefan Erik Wilkens
2009/10/26 RedShift : > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post > my > story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the > technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > > > I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Alessandro Doro
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 03:19:06PM +0400, Jozsef wrote: > By the way Alt+F2 is something I like in KDE4.3.2 for example. I read Ctrl+Alt+F2 for a moment. Sorry.

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Rafa Griman
Hi :) On Monday 26 October 2009 11:57:59 RedShift wrote: > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to > post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in > general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. No intention to make this

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
Stefan Erik Wilkens wrote: A general rule in life is that nothing is ever free. Perhaps a bold remark to use in an open-source mailing list, but cost doesn't have to be defined by money. We simply pay for using Linux by coping with slightly lower performance in some (certainly not all) areas of

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Raven_Oscar UnKnown
I have to admit that I am partly agree with you. MS screwed up with Vista and all its competitors had a chance to gain part of its market. I speak about both Linux and MacOS. But none of them used it. So basically situation is the same as it was before Vista. In fact we are not loosing ground becau

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
Rafa Griman wrote: (note, lots of things cut) I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very sluggish and incomplete. I can't enable the desktop effects because that makes things even slower. I'm doing this on a fairly decent setup, an AMD Sempron 2 Ghz with an nVid

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Jozsef
On 26 Oct 2009 at 12:46, Rafa Griman wrote: > My guess is that there's something wrongly configured or installed in your > KDE > 4 installation. Check this: > - deactivate nepomuk and Akonadi > - delete /tmp/k* /var/tmp/k* > - delete your .kde4 and .kde and .local dirs (you ca

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Raven_Oscar UnKnown
What's the way of deactivating nepomuk and Akonadi? It can be done via "system settings" > advanced tab. > >

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Arvid Picciani
RedShift wrote: Conclusion We are losing ground. We are losing it fast. Our competitors recognize what the user wants and delivered. I can't remember fighting for that ground, and I'd be totally happy if the people who do would just go away. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread b4283
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 were we *EVER* in a war ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrlnhgACgkQEX4dV4KnKneMeQCg8RxNQYR1LW8Pp56vyRVjnVFv zDMAoJxJWyZeNMAn5XRTer1SEjX4LkY

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:57:59 +0100 schrieb RedShift : > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided > to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in > general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > > ... > > So when should we ha

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Ray Kohler
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, RedShift wrote: > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post > my > story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the > technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > > > I've been working these past fe

Re: [arch-general] [*] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread ppk
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:57:59AM +0100, RedShift wrote: > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided > to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience > in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > I've been working these p

[arch-general] Installing Arch Linux w/ RAID

2009-10-26 Thread Carlos Williams
I have been struggling with successfully installing Arch Linux on my PC with just two S-ATA drives. I am using the LiveCD / Netinst "2009.08". The only partition I want for RAID is simply /home. I have two identical disks and am partition as follows: /dev/sda1 = 2048 (bootable) */boot* /dev/sda2 =

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Xavier
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM, RedShift wrote: > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post > my > story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the > technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. > Nice job, you turned a "kde 4 suc

Re: [arch-general] [*] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Otávio Módolo
if the problem is only the grafical interface, gnome can be changed to the limit. you can make him far better than any win using compiz, some apps for cairo and others. 2009/10/26 ppk > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:57:59AM +0100, RedShift wrote: > > > This thread will probably erupt in a massive f

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Lars Tennstedt
RedShift wrote: This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very sl

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:41:01 +0100 Stefan Erik Wilkens wrote: > 2009/10/26 RedShift : > > This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I > > decided to post my > > story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, > > not the technical details behind it. Keep that

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Jozsef
On 26 Oct 2009 at 14:55, Lars Tennstedt wrote: > > Hi, > > I suggest the opposite in the facts of speed. My work's computer runs > with Windows XP and the hardware is faster than mine at home. But > Windows XP often stands still without a reason and takes ages to do > something. KDE 4.3 on m

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Monday 26 October 2009 19:25:09 Lars Tennstedt wrote: > I suggest the opposite in the facts of speed. My work's computer runs > with Windows XP and the hardware is faster than mine at home. But > Windows XP often stands still without a reason and takes ages to do > something. KDE 4.3 on my Arch

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Arvid Picciani
hollun...@gmx.at wrote: The problem is that the Desktop Environments, GNOME and KDE, in their quest for "integrated desktop experience" push more and more stuff that's really only useful to those DEs deeper and deeper into the system. If you as a user need or want it or not, you get it. I warn

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:33:12 +0100 Arvid Picciani wrote: > hollun...@gmx.at wrote: > > > The problem is that the Desktop Environments, GNOME and KDE, in > > their quest for "integrated desktop experience" push more and more > > stuff that's really only useful to those DEs deeper and deeper into

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Bächler
RedShift schrieb: This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Lars Tennstedt
Shridhar Daithankar wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 19:25:09 Lars Tennstedt wrote: I suggest the opposite in the facts of speed. My work's computer runs with Windows XP and the hardware is faster than mine at home. But Windows XP often stands still without a reason and takes ages to do someth

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: > Conclusion: > Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you get > is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster DE. > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being intrusive? > They live in their own small bubble cal

[arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread b4283
Hi, I've had some nice experiences with Windows(XP)'s suspend functionality, and it seems to work on all machines I've worked with. and the other day I just had a successful resume on my machine with "s2ram -f -m -p", but it takes like a minute for it to fully recover to a terminal (tty/1). (ps:

Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
On 26.10.2009 16:58, b4283 wrote: > Hi, > > I've had some nice experiences with Windows(XP)'s suspend functionality, > and it seems to work on all machines I've worked with. > > and the other day I just had a successful resume on my machine with > "s2ram -f -m -p", but it takes like a minute for it

Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, On Mo, 2009-10-26 at 23:58 +0800, b4283 wrote: > My question is: What's the average resume time of yours, and is it > possible to be any faster ? It takes something like 10 seconds or so for me. I noticed that you are using s2ram, have you tried to use pm-utils (http://wiki.archlinux.org/inde

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread RedShift
Aaron Griffin wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: Conclusion: Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you get is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster DE. When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being intrusive? They live in their own sm

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/26/2009 06:57 AM, RedShift wrote: I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very sluggish and incomplete. I can't enable the desktop effects because that makes things even slower. I'm doing this on a fairly decent setup, an AMD Sempron 2 Ghz with an nVidia FX5500.

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:49:01 -0500 Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: > > Am I happy to hear that. > > I say this because I'm under the impression that people see only two > > kinds of linux uses: > > 1) The traditional server > > 2) The Desktop > > > > You can, at t

Re: [arch-general] kde4 tip - quicklaunch in your panel -- convenience at your fingertips!

2009-10-26 Thread David C. Rankin
On Friday 23 October 2009 11:19:28 am David Rosenstrauch wrote: > > We WILL get the subtree option back at some point in the future. Here is > > the relevant post from the suse list: > > Ugh. > > I'm starting to feel like KDE has "jumped the shark". :-) > If I follow you correctly -- I agree,

Re: [arch-general] Rock-n-roll Compiz 8.4 is in the repositories.

2009-10-26 Thread David C. Rankin
On Friday 23 October 2009 11:22:01 pm David C. Rankin wrote: > Listmates, > > Just updated and noticed compiz 8.4 is in the repositories. Can't wait to > give it a run-through. Arch has got to be the best distro going at getting > new packages built and online. Thanks for the effort! > Follow

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: [snip] > > > > So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the > > bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need > > real integration, real solu

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: >> > > [snip] > > >>> So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the >>> bubble. In our little Linux world wit

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM,   wrote: >>> >> >> [snip] >> >> So please, next time you call something integratio

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread David C. Rankin
s not close to doing so yet. As for my list of kde4 annoyances (bugs) see: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/rankin-bug-list-20091026.pdf that's all 154 of them. (Note there are about 10 kde3 bugs in there, but I wasn't going to take the time to parse them out...) -- Dav

[arch-general] Audio on Linux, was: We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:40:44 -0500 Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, wrote: > > Conclusion: > > Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you > > get is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster DE. > > When will "Desktop" people start to see that

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Norbert Zeh
I just had a look at the Windows 7 features and didn't see anything that suggests the Linux world has lost the UI war. It is probably true that the eye candy looks more polished on OS X/Vista/7 than on anything the Linux world has to offer. (In fact, this is what lured me into the Mac world for a

Re: [arch-general] Audio on Linux, was: We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:40:44 -0500 > Aaron Griffin wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM,   wrote: >> > Conclusion: >> > Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you >> > get is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/26/2009 07:35 AM, RedShift wrote: * KDE still has better abstraction of file locations than windows or gnome Yup, the KIO stuff rocks. In fact, even though I switched to Xfce, I'm still using Konqueror for the file manager, since it's awesome, and since Thunar doesn't support network f

Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch Linux w/ RAID

2009-10-26 Thread toomanymirrors
I have always had to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst I have /boot on md1 and root on md0 so my menu.lst looks like this: # (1) Arch Linux title Arch Linux [/boot/vmlinuz26] root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/array/root ro md=1,/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1,/dev/sdc1,/dev/sdd1 md=0,/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2,

Re: [arch-general] Audio on Linux, was: We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:52:28 -0500 Aaron Griffin wrote: > > But honestly, I can see the mess, and from what I know I'd say the > > problem stems from alsa being too difficult to use. The alsa > > developers hide (from a bombardment of user questions) and no one > > feels up to the task of really

Re: [arch-general] Audio on Linux, was: We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:08:00 +0100 wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:52:28 -0500 > Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > > But honestly, I can see the mess, and from what I know I'd say the > > > problem stems from alsa being too difficult to use. The alsa > > > developers hide (from a bombardment of user q

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:09:49PM +0100, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: > On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > > In this particular case though, you can just disable hotplugging (see > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php

Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch Linux w/ RAID

2009-10-26 Thread Carlos Williams
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM, toomanymirrors wrote: > I have always had to edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst > I have /boot on md1 and root on md0 so my menu.lst looks like this: > > # (1) Arch Linux > title  Arch Linux  [/boot/vmlinuz26] > root   (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/array/root ro >

Re: [arch-general] kde4 tip - quicklaunch in your panel -- convenience at your fingertips!

2009-10-26 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/26/2009 12:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Honestly, I think it is KDE's programming framework that has caused most of the problems. I disagree. The problems (at least from my perspective) stems from the KDE devs' decision to "start fresh" with all their apps in order to "simplify" them

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Arvid Picciani
Aaron Griffin wrote: > You read my mind. I was debating adding a little rant here about the > necessity of hal, consolekit, policykit, devicekit, > whatever-the-hellkit to do the stupidest things. It's real > counter-intuitive. And don't even get me started about linux audio - > apparently the co

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/26/2009 01:30 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: I think the biggest problem that kde4 will have to overcome is the stain on kde's reputation caused when a few major distros pushed kde4 out the door as a "New Desktop" when it was barely beta (kde 4.04 was released by SuSE as the desktop for 11.0

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread JM
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, wrote: >[snip] > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being intrusive? > They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE and can't ever > imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > Sorry for this "slightly" off topic rant, but it annoys me

Re: [arch-general] Splitting up the 'boinc' package

2009-10-26 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, I finally managed it to get a working version of the latest release (6.6.41), which should compile just fine (at least it does for me). I'll attach the package. Could you please take a look at the package and look for mistakes or things that could be done better. Maybe the maintainer (Jarosla

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Felipe Tanus
I also had a "crysis" some time ago about how windows can match linux. But it's just use windows for 3 months or so, and suddenly I change my opinion once again :) 2009/10/26 David Rosenstrauch : > On 10/26/2009 01:30 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >> >> I think the biggest problem that kde4 will hav

Re: [arch-general] Splitting up the 'boinc' package

2009-10-26 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi again, it seems that I can't attach my file here, so I've uploaded it: http://web108.server123.star-server.info/boinc.tar.gz -- Best regards, Karol Babioch signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:41:58 +0100 JM wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, wrote: > >[snip] > > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being > > intrusive? They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE > > and can't ever imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > >

Re: [arch-general] Splitting up the 'boinc' package

2009-10-26 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, I noticed a little thing that still doesn't work. My package doesn't create / contain the libcudart.so, so you can't use your GPU with boinc. In order to make this workable you have to extract the libcudart.so from the linux installer and place it in /var/lib/boinc. I don't know whether this

[arch-general] problem with Exaile - missing dependency somewhere maybe?

2009-10-26 Thread Nebojša Stričević
I had problem with Exaile when I try to play radio station. Exaile needs gstreamer's http support, and gstreamer needs libsoup-gnome for that. I didn't had libsoup-gnome installed, only libsoup, and trying to play radio in Exaile caused system to hang. Is that a missing dependency somewhere maybe?

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Dario
Hi! In data lunedì 26 ottobre 2009 18:30:25, David C. Rankin ha scritto: > I didn't do windows 7 beta, so I can't comment there, but I have used every > windows since windows 286 (what '88? when I moved from DOS 4.04) and all > were "usable". Well, when I stepped from dos 6.22 to Windows 95 on m

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Caleb Cushing
... Someone is wrong on the internet. anyways... I think that kde 4.x is mostly ready for users with a rough edge in that it's still not ready for mobile users. it's probably slow because your video drivers suck... I don't have problems on my intel (well I do but not with performance). blame nvid

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:58:49 +0100 schrieb : > > Unfortunately, fewer and fewer applications are "desktop-agnostic" > > these days. To install a gtk2 application I am usually asked to > > download half of GNOME or at least libgnomeui and gconf. Gconf is my > > personal favourite. Xfce already uses

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Attila
At Montag, 26. Oktober 2009 11:57 RedShift wrote: > an nVidia FX5500. My laptop suffers from this sluggishness as well. On top of > that, lots of things annoy me in KDE 4.3, see the end of this post for my top > annoyances. Yesterday I had to reboot to my Windows XP installation on this > computer

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] signoff xfsprogs 3.0.5-1 both arches

2009-10-26 Thread Uli Armbruster
Hi Because last time a user signoff for xfsprogs was required, I'm doing this now again. I rebootet, right now there's a xfs_fsr running and everything seems to be just fine. If there are more things I should test or run to be sure everything is ok, please just tell me. So signoff i686 Greetz

Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch Linux w/ RAID

2009-10-26 Thread Phillip Smith
2009/10/27 Carlos Williams > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM, toomanymirrors > > When you're in the main installer window of the > Arch Linux CD, you you skip the "Install Bootloader" option or do you > select it? The Wiki indicates that I should skip it and do it manually > however my /boot and

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread hollunder
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:39:54 +0100 Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:58:49 +0100 > schrieb : > > > > Unfortunately, fewer and fewer applications are "desktop-agnostic" > > > these days. To install a gtk2 application I am usually asked to > > > download half of GNOME or at least libgnom

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread dennisjperkins
> Well, I guess they try to 'integrate' again, all config in one place, > but again only for their bubble. Isn't there already an OS with such a terrible, bloated and cryptical all config in one place database called registry? And wasn't there a principle in Unix/Linux: "Everything is a file

Re: [arch-general] Full system encryption with support for hibernation

2009-10-26 Thread vlad
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 05:01:11PM +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: > > It is possible. Consider the following setup: > > You have two partitions, one small (50MB) /boot /dev/sda1, the rest > /dev/sda2. Now you create a LUKS-Volume in /dev/sda2, let's call > this volume enc. Inside /dev/mapper/enc cr

Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread Alexander Lam
My netbook (Intel Atom 1.6Ghz, 1GB ram) comes up from suspend-to-ram in about 3 seconds. I use pmutils to suspend. -- Alexander Lam

Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread b4283
Alexander Lam 提到: > My netbook (Intel Atom 1.6Ghz, 1GB ram) comes up from suspend-to-ram in > about 3 seconds. > > I use pmutils to suspend. So it's just me then. I've read the wiki about Pm-utils, but it isn't very thorough though. Trying it anyway.

Re: [arch-general] S3-level ACPI suspend

2009-10-26 Thread b4283
Still no luck with Pm-utils. It takes about a minute before the keyboard lights and mouse leds to go on, and Caps-Lock key works, so it isn't hanging. I could use the SysRq method to reboot my system, so I guess maybe everything is actually working -- except video. Using Ctrl-Alt-[1-7] to switch

[arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Evangelos Foutras
Hello, The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new packages, and thus $Id$ doesn't get updated on commit. I believe we should fix this, as this information is useful when determining when a PKGBUILD was la

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Loui Chang
On Tue 27 Oct 2009 04:39 +0200, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Hello, > > The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that > the svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new > packages, and thus $Id$ doesn't get updated on commit. I believe we > should fix this, as th

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Evangelos Foutras
Loui Chang wrote: On Tue 27 Oct 2009 04:39 +0200, Evangelos Foutras wrote: Hello, The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new packages, and thus $Id$ doesn't get updated on commit. I believe we should fix

Re: [arch-general] editors graphic, video new (to archlinux) encoder decoder theora

2009-10-26 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 22:31, andrew james wrote: > Uhh... what? Are you maybe looking for the "flag out of date" button for packages on the website?

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Hello, > > The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the > svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new packages, and thus > $Id$ doesn't get updated on commit. I believe we should fix this, as th

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Eric Bélanger wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Evangelos Foutras > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the >> svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new packages, and thus >> $Id$ d

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Evangelos Foutras
Eric Bélanger wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: Hello, The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKGBUILD for new packages, and thus $Id$ doesn't get updated on commit. I believe we shou

Re: [arch-general] svn:keywords is not set on newer packages

2009-10-26 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Eric Bélanger wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Evangelos Foutras >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> The $Id$ keyword came up while talking with Angel and I realized that the >>> svn:keywords property doesn't get set on PKG

Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-10-26 Thread Norbert Zeh
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:31:06PM +, dennisjperk...@comcast.net wrote: > > > Well, I guess they try to 'integrate' again, all config in one place, > > but again only for their bubble. > > Isn't there already an OS with such a terrible, bloated and cryptical > all config in one place datab