[arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for p...@arin.net

2014-03-27 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

2014-03-27 Thread Azinger, Marla
I have taken the direction to not submit a proposal since this particular subject has been requested to go through the suggestion process by John Curran. This will be reviewed and addressed by the BOT. The number assigned to this: Suggestion ID 2014.7 Should anyone choose to follow how the BO

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Bill Woodcock
>> 11.7 Resource Allocation Guidelines >> >> The Numbering Resources requested come from the global Internet Resource >> space, do not overlap previously assigned space, _Previously_ assigned space, or _currently_ assigned space? Like David, I’m struggling to understand what problem is being so

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
Thanks. This wasn't really a big secret or anything. I didn't see an announcement that I recall. That would've been nice. Oh well. We discussed it briefly here, we of course reserve the right to change our mind, still not in support of the proposal. Neutral on the research unless that becomes an i

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread David Farmer
I'm the primary shepherd for this Draft; The author is Heather Schiller, and I'm only saying that because I'm going to reference you to her comments at the mic at the last NANOG. The research that prompted the proposal was presented at the last NANOG in Atlanta and is at the following link;

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
And if it's in the registry it's in someones name which means THEY can write the LOA. Even in the case of another advertising a prefix registered to someone and on their behalf, think routerless location, the registrant writes the LOA for the upstream to pass off to peers where and if needed. I do

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread David Huberman
ARIN doesn't have the authority to write an LOA for space not explicitly registered to an entity in Whois. Is this what happened?!? Details would be nice if we're going to discuss 2014-12 in a meaningful way :) David R Huberman Microsoft Corporation Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) _

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
That's an operational problem. No one should ever accept nor should ARIN ever write an LOA for anything except their own registered prefix. Best, Martin On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Scott Leibrand wrote: > The author or shepherds can provide more detail, but this was submitted in > response

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread David Huberman
Hello John, Ah ok - that explains why I didn't recall seeing a discussion, thank you. Will the policy author please reveal themselves and talk to us about what's going on? Unless my reading comprehension is poor, I'm not understanding what's really going on here. Thanks! /david David R Huberma

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Scott Leibrand
The author or shepherds can provide more detail, but this was submitted in response to a recent presentation on research that involved announcing a covering aggregate for a significant fraction of the entire IP space with ARIN providing an LOA that allowed it. Per statements at the mic, the auth

Re: [arin-ppml] Initial IPv4 allocations to ISPs, NRPM section 4.2

2014-03-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
Yes, I would like to see a new draft in this area, just from personal experience.. We currently use three Class C's from upstream providers, about 70% used, and we would like a /22 simply for the flexibility to move between providers, but the rules want us to be multi-homed for that. And we

[arin-ppml] Initial IPv4 allocations to ISPs, NRPM section 4.2

2014-03-27 Thread CJ Aronson
I have been having a discussion with a member of the community about the initial allocations to ISPs, NRPM section 4.2. I thought quite a bit about this last night and I would love your input. It seems to me that we might want to revamp this in light of IPv4 run out. Does it make sense when the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-03-27 Thread Sweeting, John
Hi David, Draft Policies only get posted to PPML once they are moved forward in the process to that state. That being said it was just posted as a DP this week, Tuesday. Discussions need to begin and it will also be presented and discussed at the PPM in Chicago. This is in accordance with the curr

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

2014-03-27 Thread John Curran
On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:37 PM, David Huberman wrote: > I think the true problem may a combination of: > - the reality of how network operators are participating > in ARIN; and > - the brand new risks which the ARIN corporate governance > model now presents to the network operator community in >

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

2014-03-27 Thread David Huberman
Hello, Thank you again, John, for a very clear and concise reply. I have changed the subject line, so as to fork this theme away from the very specific term limits discussion, and to pivot it to what I believe may (again: MAY) be the true problem that exists. I sincerely apologize in advance for