Re: [arin-ppml] 2-octet and 4-octet ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread Owen DeLong
As I understand it, the perceived issue is: RIRs issuing primarily 4-octet ASNs are running out of 4-octet ASNs and want to get more 4-octet ASNs from IANA without having to first exhaust their 2-octet pools. Now, for my opinion on the matter: IMHO, the intent of the current policy was to achi

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread Leif Sawyer
Jason - My responses out-of-order to the questions (ignoring your answers) 2/3: I would be in support of policy that provided IANA with direction to equally distribute the remaining 2-byte ASNs to the RIRs. Once that has taken place, it can be left to the individual RIR to adapt policy

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12: Anti-hijack Policy

2014-04-18 Thread David Farmer
Draft Policy ARIN-2014-12 "Anti-hijack Policy," was discussed at ARIN 33 in Chicago this week, it was generally supported. However, there were two modifications to the Policy Text suggested; 1. In the first paragraph; change "previously" to "currently". 2. Remove the last sentence of the

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread Jon Lewis
Wouldn't these routing policies just need to be rewritten/modernized to use extended communities instead of the old 32-bit communities? 64-bits of ext-community ought to be enough for community-type, a 32-bit ASN, and some policy instruction. Whether any routers support this, and in a user-fr

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread David Miller
On 4/18/2014 4:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: >> The ARIN community continues to suggest there is no hardware reason that >> would prevent support of 4-byte ASNs. The community desires that we use up >> the 2-byte ASNs and continue to send

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread Jason Schiller
This was brought up at the open mic, and people just shrugged. I agree that this does not sound like a solution, but at the same time it did not move the community to reconsider their direction. __Jason On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM,

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: > The ARIN community continues to suggest there is no hardware reason that > would prevent support of 4-byte ASNs. The community desires that we use up > the 2-byte ASNs and continue to send a message that code upgrades to support > 4-byte AS

[arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread Jason Schiller
I wanted to summarize what I heard at the open mic and give the wider community a chance to comment. Questions: 1. Is it in the best interest of the Internet for ARIN to give out 2-byte ASNs by default? Should we use up the 2-byte ASNs, or try to conserve them for those who need them? 2. Should