[arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for p...@arin.net

2014-09-18 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Andrew Dul
On 9/18/2014 3:21 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Andrew Dul wrote: > >> On 2014-09-18 13:37, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> I object to section 4.10.1.4. >>> An organization should not be locked out of available space simply >>> because they happened to be unlucky in where they got

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Andrew Dul
Dale, Thanks for your input, would you otherwise support the policy if we retained the existing /10 reservation for 4.10.2? I would certainly like to hear from others on the list regarding the pool sizes for the transition vs. austerity pools. Thanks, Andrew On 9/18/2014 1:54 PM, Dale W. Card

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

2014-09-18 Thread Jason Schiller
Below is a first try at brining MDN into 2014-20 8.3.2.1.1 MDN Minimum Requirements Organizations that have multiple discrete networks (MDNs) and do not qualify under 8.3.2.1 may still qualify for a non-M&A transfer if the organization can demonstrate 50% utilization on average, as measured u

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Andrew Dul wrote: > On 2014-09-18 13:37, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I object to section 4.10.1.4. >> An organization should not be locked out of available space simply >> because they happened to be unlucky in where they got shoehorned >> compared to other organizations.

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Owen DeLong
> >>> Address space received from IANA under the “Global Policy for Post >>> Exhaustion IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA (NRPM 10.5)” by ARIN >>> shall be allocated or assigned under this section. >>> Allocations and assignments from this block must be justified by immediate >>> IPv6 deploym

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Dale W. Carder
I object to changing the /10 to /11 as proposed in 2014-16: Section 4.10.2. I believe the rationale behind the /10 from 2008-5 still stand. Dale Thus spake Alexander, Daniel (daniel_alexan...@cable.comcast.com) on Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 05:11:24AM +: > Hello All, > > There has been an updat

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Andrew Dul
On 2014-09-18 13:37, Owen DeLong wrote: I object to section 4.10.1.4. An organization should not be locked out of available space simply because they happened to be unlucky in where they got shoehorned compared to other organizations. If an organization has a /24 and needs another /24, but the a

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Andrew Dul
On 2014-09-18 09:37, Bill Owens wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 05:11:24AM +, Alexander, Daniel wrote: Hello All, There has been an update to the text of ARIN2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update. Based upon previous feedback and suggestions there has been substantial changes to the

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Owen DeLong
I object to section 4.10.1.4. An organization should not be locked out of available space simply because they happened to be unlucky in where they got shoehorned compared to other organizations. If an organization has a /24 and needs another /24, but the adjacent /24 is not available, they shou

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

2014-09-18 Thread Jason Schiller
David, I appreciate your comments wrt if ARIN should accept a purely future looking 2 year projected growth. I think that is at the heart of this proposal. My personal (ISP) experience is that ARIN allocations are always based on past usage, and if your 3 month need is greater than 1/4 your usa

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

2014-09-18 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Jason, You wrote: I think there are issues with the status quo. How to deal with slow start - can't assume the upstream can or will provide addresses This is a tremendous problem, which your proposal solves, but it is also solved with 2014-14 with more brevity. How to reduce the burden o

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer PolicySlow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

2014-09-18 Thread Mike Burns
Present transfer policy will effectively preclude new entrants from obtaining any IPv4 address space via transfer (unless they can somehow first get resources allocated from their upstream ISPs during this time of increasing scarcity), so continued thinking and discussion on solutions would indeed

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

2014-09-18 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, David Huberman wrote: > Kevin's very cogent call-outs were an eye opener for me. TPIA has gotten the > short-shrift from ARIN policy for a long time, and it's a very complex > technical situation that needs careful thought. MDN is a well-practiced > policy that

Re: [arin-ppml] Updated text for ARIN 2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

2014-09-18 Thread Bill Owens
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 05:11:24AM +, Alexander, Daniel wrote: > Hello All, > > There has been an update to the text of ARIN2014-16: Section 4.10 > Austerity Policy Update. Based upon previous feedback and suggestions > there has been substantial changes to the original text. This new text is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate - revised

2014-09-18 Thread Tim Gimmel
I noticed I have not seen any further discussion on this proposed policy change, I would like to emphasize how important it is to smaller companies such as ours. Even thought our overall utilization is 90%+ we must get down to lower than the last /24 before we can ask for addresses. I will ad