Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

2014-12-17 Thread Blake Dunlap
I also agree that this is an argument on very shaky ground, bordering on ridiculous. It is almost 0 barrier to entry for any small entity at this point. If you can't justify even the most modest needs test, then why do you need your own ip space to begin with? I could probably pass needs test with

Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

2014-12-17 Thread Bruce Cornett
As a little guy I am acutely aware of the giants among us. But I agree with Owen. I just assisted a client with an end user application. And while it took a little effort to educate the client and some effort to provide the documentation, it was not overly burdensome. My client received t

Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

2014-12-17 Thread McTim
I have to agree with Owen, I just got my first v4 request from ARIN approved for a small org. Wasn't hard, wasn't burdensome. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > I'm sorry, but your argument is utterly specious. > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An addre

Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

2014-12-17 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm sorry, but your argument is utterly specious. First, the community includes ANYONE who chooses to participate and all comers participate on an equal footing. The Small ORG cannot possibly have been shut out because there are simply far too many small and x-small orgs that have address space

Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

2014-12-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Hi Steven, A group of folks who all want to make a little money selling gravel to road builders band together and form a "community" to advance the use of rock quarries. They form a set of policies. In the beginning the policies are simple and people dig rock quarries willy nilly. Over tim

Re: [arin-ppml] Use

2014-12-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Hi Steven, That was my experience like over a decade ago - except that I was not applying for IPv6 just IPv4 - of course back in those days we didn't call it IPv4 we just called it IP - I called ARIN - talked to them - answered a few more questions the hostmaster had - and the No turned into