[arin-ppml] "Residential Customer" by examples

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , David Huberman wrote: >It's hidden in the definition section up top: > >https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two13 I do apologize for being so dense and/or so pedantic, but I'm still rather entirely unclear on the precise meaning and appropriate interpretation of the term "Reside

Re: [arin-ppml] Defining Residential Customers in Policy Manual

2017-05-27 Thread hostmaster
I dont think that ARIN has actually made any attempt to define "Residential Customer", but the term seems to imply the person, not the place. For example, If I live at my business, I think I could still be a "Residential Customer". I know under the old days of landline telephone that private

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <0a860fd3-1673-0be0-d0dd-c1228cfce...@linuxmagic.com>, Michael Peddemors wrote: >Allow the community at large to 'register' complaints, but instead of >having it sent to what for all intents and purposes can seem like a an >opaque resolution process, have such complaints registered

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <1194b151-cb40-2455-1963-58101dbd4...@linuxmagic.com>, Michael Peddemors wrote: >... >There is a solution to that, SWIP to the ISP 'rwhois' server(s) which >have the ability to provide 'rwhois' date down to the /32. >... >While the rules make it clear, that of course this isn't for

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread David Huberman
It's hidden in the definition section up top: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two13 Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > > In message > , > Scott Leibrand wrote: > >> On the topic of "what should the threshold be", I think requiring S

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <1f134479-998d-30d1-2b59-5ec7eb887...@linuxmagic.com>, Michael Peddemors wrote: >Of course, we are supposed to 'report it to hostmaster', but after many >such reports, and seeing no effect, it makes it hard to bother with >reporting it.. Yes. Statistically speaking, it has appear

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
Cathy, While this is a nice step, and indicates a move forward towards this.. (Wish I just had more time to contribute..) It would be nice that somehow we find a way to 'assist' ARIN, in a public manner, and have it adopted in policy in some form. We have had several ppl who 'see' on a regula

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 17-05-26 06:47 PM, John Curran wrote: Indeed. As folks are probably aware, ARIN is quite willing to enforce SWIP requirements in whatever manner the community deems appropriate, we simply ask for clear direction in the form of community-developed policy. Thanks! /John John Curran President

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 17-05-26 05:11 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: Therefore, while we discuss how many access providers are ignoring the SWIP rules, do remember that the majority of ISP customers for IPv4 internet access are NOT subject to the SWIP rules, since they have 1 or less dedicated IP addresses. The

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Scott Leibrand wrote: >On the topic of "what should the threshold be", I think requiring SWIPs for >(non-residential) assignments is actually what we want here... I'd like to take this opportunity to mention again that just the other day I requested (here) at least -some- clarity o

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 17-05-26 04:10 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: The only real "Internet Police" stick is the records needed for additional assignments must be there before you can get more. If in fact more is never needed because of the size of the initial allocation, there is zero incentive to SWIP the cus

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Peddemors
Last time I brought up this topic, I was informed that until the Board gets the mandate to work on enforcement, very little will be done on this. However, it wasn't clear on how that can be brought about. Of course, we are supposed to 'report it to hostmaster', but after many such reports, an

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message pg3ze04...@mail.gmail.com> > Scott Leibrand wrote: > > >> Am I missing something? > > > >No, this proposal isn't drafting a new rule, but rather relaxing an > >existing one that mostly isn't being observed or enforced, s

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Cj Aronson
Peter The draft is still on the AC's docket and the shepherds are working on it. I think it should be part of this discussion so I mentioned it so that folks could take a look. Thanks! -Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Peter Thimmesch wrote: > Hello Cathy, > >

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <3aa858a9-f0e8-440a-99ca-0140c3ab3...@arin.net>, John Curran wrote: >(I am in no manner advocating for such a policy change, simply making clear >that the ongoing enforcement concerns are a matter of policy clarity rather >than any imagined lack of ability to execute.) Yes. I, for

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread John Curran
On 27 May 2017, at 3:53 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <37601b52-b8fb-4661-89ab-21052cf28...@arin.net>, > John Curran wrote: > >> As folks are probably aware, ARIN is quite willing to enforce SWIP >> requirements in whatever manner the community deems appropriate, >> we simply

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 SWIP requirements (?)

2017-05-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <37601b52-b8fb-4661-89ab-21052cf28...@arin.net>, John Curran wrote: >As folks are probably aware, ARIN is quite willing to enforce SWIP >requirements in whatever manner the community deems appropriate, >we simply ask for clear direction in the form of community-developed >policy.