Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Chris Woodfield
And I’d point to the evidence of a transfer market specifically for 16-bit ASNs as good evidence of this. That said, I’d like to understand better the relative imbalance of supply and demand for these resources in the various RIR regions before I form a conclusion as to whether that imbalance j

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 12:25:05PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: > Extended communities can solve the problem for all ASNs issued today This simply is not true. Kind regards, Job ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARI

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Owen DeLong
Extended communities can solve the problem for all ASNs issued today or likely to be issued in a very long time (at least 24 bits, more like 30 bits IIRC) even if Large communities are not widely supported yet. Extended communities are ubiquitous in most of the gear I’m familiar with. Owen > O

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:20 PM, ARIN wrote: > Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers > > Problem Statement: > There is a need to allow RIR transfers of ASNs with RIRs with an equivalent > transfer policy. Hello, I OPPOSE the transfer of number resources to APNIC where rest

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2018-1

2018-02-06 Thread Owen DeLong
I will note that there is also working code widely deployed for extended communities which do have formats which can work for all currently issued 32-bit ASNs. (RFCs 4360 and 7153) Owen > On Feb 5, 2018, at 11:54 , David R Huberman wrote: > > > If I may, I'd like to try and re-focus the dis

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2017-03: Update to NPRM 3.6: Annual Whois POC Validation

2018-02-06 Thread Owen DeLong
+1 works for me. Owen > On Feb 5, 2018, at 13:12 , Potter, Amy wrote: > > In response to the staff & legal assessment for 2017-3, we are proposing the > following new language for subsection 3.6.5: > > 3.6.5 > > An invalid POC is restricted to payment and contact update functionality > w

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Chris Woodfield
RFC8092 was published roughly a year ago. I can’t imagine that we’ll see universal support for it anytime soon, and there’s plenty of gear out there on the internet today that won’t be getting a software update to support it. I have encountered exactly this scenario, albeit on a private network

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Owen DeLong
Job, I mostly agree with you. There is, however, one issue with the way ARIN does things. On ARIN whois records, there is a field for “Origin AS”. In the event that an organization transfers out an AS that is listed on their blocks as “Origin AS”, you’d like to think that the organization in que

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 09:02 , hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: > > I agree that IP addresses and ASN's are not associated with each other to the > extent that changes in one, must trigger a change in the other. Thus, I > disagree that an ASN transfer must only occur on "clean" ASNs without any >

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread hostmaster
I agree that IP addresses and ASN's are not associated with each other to the extent that changes in one, must trigger a change in the other. Thus, I disagree that an ASN transfer must only occur on "clean" ASNs without any associated IP networks. For example, I might have an ASN because I am

Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Transfers (was :Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers

2018-02-06 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 06:21:06PM +, Roberts, Orin wrote: > You could, but then IPv6 routing/fragmentation becomes an issue. How so? > Unless when an ASN is transferred from ARIN all IP networks associated > to that ASN are revoked/removed/deleted from ARIN. ie. I can acquire > an ASN that