Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-05 Thread David Miller
On 06/05/2014 08:26 AM, Mike Burns wrote: > David said: The full phrase I used was "legitimization of this market on an > unlimited scale" and it was intentional. > > "unlimited" as intentionally used, then, is a straw man argument in the > context of 2014-14. > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposa

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-04 Thread David Miller
On 6/4/2014 10:57 PM, Elvis Velea wrote: > Hi David, > > On 05/06/14 04:50, David Miller wrote: >> Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy >> adjust to what happens in the market. It's not the other way around, >> if only because that&#x

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-04 Thread David Miller
On 6/4/2014 10:41 PM, Elvis Velea wrote: > Hi Cathy, > > On 05/06/14 04:31, CJ Aronson wrote: >> Let's be clear.. the RIPE NCC will only give a one-time /22 for your >> 1600 Euros/year. RIPE has always made applicants prove a business >> presense in the region and I believe that's what the >>

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-04 Thread David Miller
> We're going to be a cross-roads very soon. ARIN is going to exhaust, > and network operators will be unable to obtain additional IPv4 address > blocks from ARIN. At that point, the most obvious solution for IPv4 > needs will be the market. Discounting the other obvious solutions of IPv6, IPv6,

Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

2014-06-04 Thread David Miller
On 6/4/2014 9:10 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > > On 6/4/14, 5:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> It is, however, equally obvious that a sizable portion of the >> community, not merely myself, does not want to eliminate the needs test. > > For the extremely limited version of "the community" which con

Re: [arin-ppml] 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs

2014-04-18 Thread David Miller
On 4/18/2014 4:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: >> The ARIN community continues to suggest there is no hardware reason that >> would prevent support of 4-byte ASNs. The community desires that we use up >> the 2-byte ASNs and continue to send

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General Thoughts

2013-06-10 Thread David Miller
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