Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition of IPv4 Need post ARIN run-out (was: Re:Against 2013-4)

2013-06-12 Thread Brian Jones
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:24 PM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2013 7:15 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: When will we start caring about IPv6 and start ignoring IPv4??? Who cares if

Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition of IPv4 Need post ARIN run-out (was: Re:Against 2013-4)

2013-06-12 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: When will we start caring about IPv6 and start ignoring IPv4??? When the people we serve start caring about IPv6 and become willing to ignore IPv4. Can't lead where folks won't follow. Regards, Bill Herrin --

Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition of IPv4 Need post ARIN run-out (was: Re:Against 2013-4)

2013-06-11 Thread Mike Burns
Hi David, Responses inline. There were issues with your proposal as writen, but I think most of them could have been worked out. Some of the ideas in your proposal have been incoporated in to policy already. Actually my draft proposal became policy with essentially the single change which

Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition of IPv4 Need post ARIN run-out (was: Re:Against 2013-4)

2013-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Mike Burns m...@nationwideinc.com wrote: What about a needs-free transfer cap? Hi Mike, It'd have to be per-timeframe (per year). A per-transfer cap would be meaningless. It should also start low with the expectation that it'll grow if it proves out. And that'd

Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition of IPv4 Need post ARIN run-out (was: Re:Against 2013-4)

2013-06-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:24 PM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2013 7:15 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: When will we start caring about IPv6 and start ignoring IPv4??? Who cares if people set up shells to acquire v4 space from others? Let 'em, and get v6