On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:11 PM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote:
On 6/7/13 09:16 , Chris Grundemann wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
Yes, however the focus on conservation over other considerations exemplified
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Thoughts
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Thoughts
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kevin Kargel kkar...@polartel.com wrote:
Kevin Isn't
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Kevin Kargel kkar...@polartel.com wrote:
I do not agree that there is a requirement for a transfer market
to be possible. I strongly disagree that it is in any way part of
the ARIN charter to manipulate rules to benefit a profit motivated
transfer market.
Hi
On 6/7/13 09:16 , Chris Grundemann wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
Yes, however the focus on conservation over other considerations
exemplified by current IPv4 policy is an artifact of the IPv4 free pool
run-out.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Sweeting, John
john.sweet...@twcable.com wrote:
The AC has a call scheduled for this Thursday, an update will be posted
after that. I will send you an update as well if you like.
Hi John,
There's no need for a special update. Your previous non-answer bugged
me
On 6/13/13, Paul Vixie p...@redbarn.org wrote:
William Herrin wrote: That having been said, this is 2013 not 1996.
Justified need and free
market are opposite sides of a partisan divide. Your draft takes a position.
from where i sit, jason's draft takes ARIN's position, both current and
Hi Bill,
As with all policy proposals everything that is learned on the list will
be taken to the PPM in October where the AC Shepherds will share these
statistics along with other pertinent information and also take input at
the meeting. We also had some input at the NANOG 58 PPC. Thanks for all
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Sweeting, John
john.sweet...@twcable.com wrote:
As with all policy proposals everything that is learned on the list will
be taken to the PPM in October where the AC Shepherds will share these
statistics along with other pertinent information and also take input
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:14 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Chris Grundemann
cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
Providing false information and flooding
That's twice now you've accused me of lying. Let's put that to the test.
Here's my data:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Jason Schiller jschil...@google.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Jason's closed-door partisan draft.
I appreciate this is a difficult topic.
I tried to keep this draft as simply recording the current state of
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:15 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
Hi Chris,
I haven't seen any responses for a couple days, so here's the current count:
First of all this is not a vote, and while I appreciate you're
attempts to help (I assume), they come across as a manipulative
attempt at
For anyone keeping score:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
6 of 16 respondents in favor, 9 opposed, 1 did not offer an answer
that could be
Tony
These are very valuable and insightful comments. I would take issue only with
one part of your conclusion:
While the survey is a great
starting point, it might make more sense to have Arin hire a professional
survey developer to create the questions for an unbiased about the
outcome
Grundemann'; arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General
Thoughts
Tony
These are very valuable and insightful comments. I would take issue only
with one part of your conclusion:
While the survey is a great
starting point, it might make
, June 10, 2013 10:25 AM
To: 'Tony Hain'; 'Chris Grundemann'; arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles / Request for General
Thoughts
Tony
These are very valuable and insightful comments. I would take issue only
with one part of your conclusion:
While the survey
On 6/7/13 7:16 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
Hello all,
As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
the history of internet governance it
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Milton L Mueller muel...@syr.edu wrote:
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1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
[Milton L Mueller] Chris, as you know, conservation needs to be detached from
needs
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on
need (Conservation/Sustainability)?
[Milton L Mueller] Chris, as you know, conservation needs to be
detached from needs assessments. One can have efficient utilization and
conservation without needs assessments, once a
-Original Message-
Question 1 was structured to produce Yes answers
[Milton L Mueller] Yep. But it didn't succeed so well, did it?
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4) Do you support the goal of balancing these principles with each
other under the overarching principle of Stewardship?
I believe we are called upon to be Stewards, yes.
However, I believe that a well-reasoned set of
principles will be mutually supporting; when a
supposed principle must be
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, Chris Grundemann wrote:
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1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
Yes.
2) Do you support the principle of hierarchical aggregation (Routability)?
Heirarchical aggregation is more a secondary goal.
William Herrin
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On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com
wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jason Schiller jschil...@google.com wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
Yes
There also seems to be an associated concept that is has some
level of fairness That is everyone
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jason Schiller jschil...@google.com wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:12 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bill Darte billda...@gmail.com wrote:
William Herrin via arin.net 10:47 AM (36 minutes ago)
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com
wrote:
1) Do you support
Hi,
On Jun 7, 2013 7:17 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
the
On 6/7/2013 4:16 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
Hello all,
Hello.
...
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
No. Certainly not anywhere near as how it is currently implemented.
Efficient utilization based on need makes no sense
On 6/7/13, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Do you support the principle of efficient utilization based on need
(Conservation/Sustainability)?
I say No; opposed to efficient utilization based on need as a principal.
I don't say no to Conservation/Sustainability, but you
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
As the shepherd for ARIN-2013-4, I'd like to note that while the
initial conversation on this draft policy was fairly constructive,
more recent comments have gone a bit off topic. Rather than debating
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