Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-03 Thread John Curran
On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Derek Calanchini wrote: > John, > > That is GREAT NEWS! Given that, there will be no need to fudge...When I say > fudge, I manage my IP's very tightly right now...I have been using the same 4 > class c's for almost 15 years. I could easily, legitimately justify a /

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-02 Thread Derek Calanchini
John, That is GREAT NEWS!  Given that, there will be no need to fudge...When I say fudge, I manage my IP's very tightly right now...I have been using the same 4 class c's for almost 15 years. I could easily, legitimately justify a /21 by switching to a

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-02 Thread John Curran
On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote: > Sorry, I replied to the wrong one, this is the one I am waiting on: > > ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 Much clearer now... Policy ARIN-2014-13: "Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24"

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-02 Thread Derek Calanchini
Sorry, I replied to the wrong one, this is the one I am waiting on: ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24  Best regards,    Derek Calanchini    Owner   

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-09 Thread Skylar MacMinn
I support this. From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Hays Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 1:20 PM To: Kevin Blumberg Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-09 Thread Kelly Hays
I support this. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment > with a redline version to assist. > > I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Blumberg > > ARIN-prop-208 Redu

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Michael Peddemors
+1 Support On 14-05-05 06:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assig

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Mike Burns
@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 5, 2014, at 23:49 , William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: >> Do you support the substantive changes in this policy? > > I support Owen's original policy with the minor tweaks to deal with > the couple of things he missed. > > I do not support the

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > Do you support the substantive changes in this policy? I support Owen's original policy with the minor tweaks to deal with the couple of things he missed. I do not support the policy as rewritten. The rewrite is, I believe, egregious and ha

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Paul S.
Not seeing anything I disagree with in the PDF, so just as I supported the original, I support this too. On 5/6/2014 7:44 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of su

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Mark Elkins
I support. On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 01:44 +, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with > a redline version to assist. > > I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Blumberg > > ARIN-prop-208 Re

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Kevin Blumberg
l@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with > a redline version t

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with > a redline version to assist. > > I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. I OPPOSE the draft as written. Don't collapse singlehomed and multiho

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread George Herbert
Martin - The original proposal and this draft both seemed straightforwards (and easily supportable) to me. Can you please articulate in more detail what your objections are, both in theory and in the textual changes/details? I honestly do not currently understand what your issue(s) are. I would

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Owen, no one is surprised you're minimizing the changes. Of course you are. :-) That's alright. The point here is that if this is to become "law" sooner than later ARIN needs much more than the usual weak support. The redline that you all chose to put forth appears to be little more than lipstick

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Owen DeLong
Interesting estimate. The policy text contains a total of 9 NRPM sections which are modified. I suppose if you want to contemplate each single deletion and insertion as a separate text change, then there are, in fact, exactly 30 total changes, but most of them were, in fact, part of the origina

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Actually, Bill, it's not. There are significant changes in the tone and tenor and therefore how it will be interpreted and how people familiar with the previous iteration will now have to adapt to figure out how to satisfy the borg with this iteration. It may appear easy, that the staff is super he

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread George Herbert
Support the fully fleshed out redline etc version. -george On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment > with a redline version to assist. > > I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. > > Thank

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Bill Darte
Great. Digest it and then determine if you support it or not. This proposal is the same as that which has received all the popular support only it is now a complete, comprehensive proposal that does not leave the NRPM in tatters. bd On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > >

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Estimated thirty changes to text. It appears that the AC just couldn't resist modifying what we all agreed on en masse. It'll take some time to evaluate all thirty plus changes. I'll reserve my comments for the NANOG PPC in Bellevue. Best, -M< On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Owen DeLong wro

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Owen DeLong
In short, because as specified, the changes ended up with the NRPM being somewhat nonsensical. This revision does not change any of the original inent, preserves most of the original text of the proposal, and leaves the NRPM in tact with legible text after making the changes. Do you have a pro

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Why couldn't the AC simply implement the changes that were massively agreed upon here, as is -- which was also part of the discussion? Best, -M< On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: > I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment > with a redline