On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com<mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: (drc) Needs testing, in and of itself, is not the issue. What is at issue is what ARIN does when a transfer occurs (and they have, do, and will occur) outside of "justified" need. As a _registry_, I believe ARIN's role (as with IANA and all other RIRs) is to maintain accurate records.
You've made your position clear. The majority of the ARIN community does not appear to agree with you. Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that they "have, do, and will occur outside of justified need"? So far, this is a popular refrain among those that seek to eliminate the stewardship role from the RIRs, but I have yet to see anyone present hard evidence that a significant amount of this has, does, or will occur. Owen - I'll agree in principle with your point that transfers are not occurring outside of ARIN policy, but then must note that David's fundamental concern is still quite real. There is a single global Internet number registry system, and it is administered by the 5 RIRs and the IANA. Each address block is associated with a single unique party. An "IP address block" is, for all practical purposes, the rights that come association of a unique party with an entry in the registry. As I have said before, if someone thinks that they've obtained rights to an address block, but we can't transfer them in the registry due to lack of compliance with policy, then it's questionable whether they have obtained anything of value since the original address holder will still hold the rights. However, this does not prevent parties from effectively transferring control via any number of interesting gyrations (suballocation/lease to another party via nominal "services" relationship, locking up future right of transfer without affecting registration today, extreme corporate restructuring and M&A work, etc.) There is ample desire by some to transfer regardless of ARIN policy, it is only going to increase with IPv4 free pool depletion, and there are practical limits to the ability to create and enforce policy to counteract such efforts. Even though I believe that ARIN maintains a technically accurate registry despite these gyrations, those circumventions that do occur deprive the community of the expected operational benefits being able to readily reach the user of the address space. Ergo, David's fundamental concern remains valid, in that the combination of ARIN's adherence to community-developed policy plus the economic activities of a few will result in a registry which is less operationally useful, despite its recording of the legally correct parties. So, while I strongly disagree that transfers have occurred outside of policy, there are certainly cases where parties have gained effective beneficial use of address blocks, with potentially impact to the operational registry benefits as a result. The community remains in control of this tradeoff, and has to date indicated that the benefits of the need-based transfer policy are worth both the procedural implications in transfer processing as well as a technically accurate but less operationally helpful registry. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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