Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/16/16, Wookey wrote: > On 2016-10-15 16:47 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > >> I too believe that Debian is hosting nonfree software and integrating >> nonfree software with free software and this is indistinguishable from >> what >> other distros not listed do (such as Ubuntu's GNU/Linux). >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/15/16, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > It's entirely possible something has changed and I am not aware of relevant > updates on this (I don't doubt you're in touch with them far more than I > am). Please do reply to the list with updates to this situation. i'

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread Wookey
On 2016-10-15 16:47 -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > I too believe that Debian is hosting nonfree software and integrating > nonfree software with free software and this is indistinguishable from what > other distros not listed do (such as Ubuntu's GNU/Linux). There is a difference: Ubuntu will ins

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Joseph Honold
On 10/15/2016 06:21 PM, GaCuest wrote: > Hello everyone! > > If anyone if interested, I’ve updated the block diagram with new > changes: > http://george.the-petries.co.uk/shared-write-access/eoma/Block%20Diagram%20ZEOMA/Block%20Diagram%20Console%202.1.png > > Any suggestions/corrections are appre

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread FaTony
Of course, you can install a fully free Debian system, but 1 single dialog in setup wizard is a bit too little. I would rather have the tickbox to install non-free repos somewhere deep in preferences menu and I would certainly not host them on the debian.org domain. Ideally, you would only add no

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread GaCuest
Hello everyone! If anyone if interested, I’ve updated the block diagram with new changes: http://george.the-petries.co.uk/shared-write-access/eoma/Block%20Diagram%20ZEOMA/Block%20Diagram%20Console%202.1.png Any suggestions/corrections are appreciated. Thanks!

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread Philip Hands
"J.B. Nicholson" writes: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ >> been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian >> Charter as a "toxic document". > > I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/1

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: You can install an entirely free system with no non-free components. You can also install Debian without taking account of any recommends. But the recommends and suggests fields are still listing nonfree software, which was the FSF's issue. Not accepting the suggestio

Re: [Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 04:47:05PM -0500, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html where > Hess makes this statement but I haven't seen anything written by Hess > clearly explaining why the Debian Constitu

[Arm-netbook] Debian GNU/Linux, nonfree software, and FSF's free distros list

2016-10-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian Charter as a "toxic document". I've seen https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html where Hess makes this

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread GaCuest
El 15 de octubre de 2016 a las 20:33:12, Eric Duhamel (ericxd...@gmail.com) escribió: > A game console based on emulators and ports can be really interesting even > before adding > non-free software. > > For starters, you may be able to find public domain or even free software ROM > for most of >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Eric Duhamel
A game console based on emulators and ports can be really interesting even before adding non-free software. For starters, you may be able to find public domain or even free software ROM for most of the emulators, and they could even be shipped with the device operating system as part of the fre

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Eric Duhamel
A game console based on emulators and ports can be really interesting even before adding non-free software. For starters, you may be able to find public domain or even free software ROM for most of the emulators, and they could even be shipped with the device operating system as part of the fre

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Eric Duhamel
A game console based on emulators and ports can be really interesting even before adding non-free software. For starters, you may be able to find public domain or even free software ROM for most of the emulators, and they could even be shipped with the device operating system as part of the free s

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread GaCuest
El 15 de octubre de 2016 a las 16:28:55, mdn (bernardl...@openmailbox.org) escribió: > Debian's approach of this isn't really ethical. > Anyone has the freedom of install installing propitiatory software even > non tech users. > > Including non-free software in the repository is insisting/proposing

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 03:40:10PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On 10/15/16, mdn wrote: > > Debian's approach of this isn't really ethical. > > they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ > been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debia

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread mdn
Le 15/10/2016 16:40, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit : > On 10/15/16, mdn wrote: >> Debian's approach of this isn't really ethical. > > they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ > been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian > Charter as a

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/15/16, mdn wrote: > Debian's approach of this isn't really ethical. they're doing the best that they believe they can do, but they _have_ been told. see joey hess's very public description of the Debian Charter as a "toxic document". i've spoken to the FSF about this: from what i gather

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread mdn
Debian's approach of this isn't really ethical. Anyone has the freedom of install installing propitiatory software even non tech users. Including non-free software in the repository is insisting/proposing users, especially non tech ones, to give up their freedom for simplicity without understandin

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread GaCuest
El 15 de octubre de 2016 a las 7:53:40, FaTony (fat...@fatony.net) escribió: > What kind of games are you planning to run? > > Because this is very libre focused project so I assume emulators of > proprietary hardware and proprietary games for that hardware out of the > question. > My idea is to o

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/15/16, FaTony wrote: > What kind of games are you planning to run? > > Because this is very libre focused project it's an *ethically* focussed project of which it so happens, by way of the four freedoms being designed around the extremely rare and hard-to-understand *joint* combination of