Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > it's ok julie - it happens. goodness knows i've annoyed enough people :) ... also, i have to say, i really appreciate (and missed) your insights and feedback. l. ___ arm-netbook m

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 3:26 PM, zap wrote: > I still am curious though, and this question is for Luke, > > is systemd lack security, privacy or stability? that and more. just one of the big concerns is clear violation of ISO9001 QA "software assurance" standards (also known as "scope creep").

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Wolfgang Romey wrote: > I will put something on top of it because I am getting angry: > Unfortunately Luke is or is becoming a Ethics-Extremist. Extremism > allways does harm. i've since discovered a more "understandable" version of the bill of ethics, known as

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Julie Marchant wrote: > On 02/12/2017 03:56 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> no, julie, i'm not. the certification mark process requires that i >> not have any customers at all, only licensees of the certification >> mark. the only reason why i'm here

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> And now I hear that A20 card will be shipped with kernel 3.4. Sure, it's >> not lower than 3.2 but how long will glibc support 3.4? What about other >> packages? > > Actually, mainline support for A20 isn't that bad, depending on your > spec

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-07 Thread Ralf-Peter Rohbeck via arm-netbook
On 03/07/17 21:33, Stefan Monnier wrote: And now I hear that A20 card will be shipped with kernel 3.4. Sure, it's not lower than 3.2 but how long will glibc support 3.4? What about other packages? Actually, mainline support for A20 isn't that bad, depending on your specific use case. Check http:

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 5:02 AM, Lyberta wrote: > You say that EOMA68 is about reducing waste but the lack of support for > mainline kernel means you are selling waste in some people's opinion. then people had better pick up the pace and fix that situation, then. that's why i offered to send out s

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-07 Thread Stefan Monnier
> And now I hear that A20 card will be shipped with kernel 3.4. Sure, it's > not lower than 3.2 but how long will glibc support 3.4? What about other > packages? Actually, mainline support for A20 isn't that bad, depending on your specific use case. Check http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_ef

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-07 Thread Lyberta
OK, guys, so I have a smartphone that I deeply regret buying. I've installed Debian on it in chroot using Lil' Debi. A week ago I decided to try to make it useful and trying to update to Debian Testing. And when run "apt-get dist-upgrade", it said that glibc requires Linux kernel at least 3.2. My p

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline [was: Re: Logging and journaling]

2017-03-07 Thread Eric Duhamel
On March 7, 2017 5:20:50 PM PST, Hendrik Boom wrote: >On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:39:46 +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> >> just go with the image that i have been working with and testing over >> the past two years. it's using xfce4 (gnome is too heavy). i know >it >> works, and i s

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:39:46 +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > ok, so, apologies for not responding for 2 days: the latest cold, which > is back again a fourth time in as many weeks, is leaving me exhausted. > again. > > tzafrir: i've mentioned this a number of times, and am happy to

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:15:28 +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > anyway, bottom line: from what i know of systemd (that includes > libsystemd0) i know the pain that it will bring people, and because of > that i cannot possibly distribute it to others. it would be a > fundamental viola

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

2017-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:27:55 -0500, Benson Mitchell wrote: > > As you say, different people will make different choices, but for me > swap-on-SD is clearly worth it, so if/when an out-of-memory condition > _does_ occur, I get a chance to choose which processes live and die, and > to make sure any

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
OK, understood, quite a lot of constraints. anyway, for calculation of individual traces impedance you can use satrun pcb software. it is free and has number of other calculation that are nice. https://www.saturnpcb.com/pcb_toolkit.htm At the time we made our PCB we also checked impedance with PC

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > I am not sure if we understand each other here. Impedance of your lines are > not function of thickness of board and thickness of line but thickness of > prepreg and thickens of line. understood (and not expressed clearly before that i under

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
> > > Also,before redesign all board, check what impedance should be for all > lines > > (datasheets), go through simulation software what impedance is now. Check > > what was impedance on previous version of PCB that worked (go through > > simulation again). So, maybe you can just change thickness

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > ok, these are internal resistors that help match impedance automatically. > they are calibrated against reference resistors as they are not very > precise. quite smar

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
ok, these are internal resistors that help match impedance automatically. they are calibrated against reference resistors as they are not very precise. quite smart. but i still think you need to check impedance of your lines as i assume this calibration process is good to certain point, if lines ar

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > impedance is function of width of line (with some adjustment of copper > thickness) plus thickness of prepag directly below surface where your lines > are. So, you ne

Re: [Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
impedance is function of width of line (with some adjustment of copper thickness) plus thickness of prepag directly below surface where your lines are. So, you need to compare what is on your last pcb and what is on your new pcb. best software to calculate this value is polaris and you can get some

Re: [Arm-netbook] Olimex is making an "open-source" laptop...

2017-03-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On Tuesday 7. March 2017 03.53.26 Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Are we waiting for the Hurd? I don't know what level you're aiming for with that question, but the Hurd is available today. However, as I noted, a lot of deployments of Linux are being done in microkernel/hypervisor environments, so nobo

[Arm-netbook] eoma68 rk3288 testing

2017-03-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://rhombus-tech.net/rock_chips/rk3288/news/ i now have 2 assembled PCBs with the exact same "fault" - which after talking to paulk and akaka on #linux-rockchip i *may* have a lead on how to get the DDR3 RAM up and running properly. we believe it's down to the impedance control register (ZQCR)

Re: [Arm-netbook] Olimex is making an "open-source" laptop...

2017-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:10:43 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: > Meanwhile, all the bravado about monolithic kernels being best and there > being no tolerance for any performance decrease whatsoever (not even 15% > or whatever the number was) seems absurd in this age of endless exploits > and after-the-