Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-12-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares >> gets sued, arrested, tortured or killed. > In the "US empire", talking about issues is called whistleblowing, > and you also get sued, arrested, tortured. whistleblowing is a fairly special kind of "talking about issues". Mos

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-12-27 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 + FaTony wrote: > > Furthermore, > > much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s > > insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful > > and unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize > > them. It doen't

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, FaTony wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it >> would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread FaTony
Here's what peaceful protest gives you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin This guy can die any day now. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/m

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread FaTony
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: > you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it > would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david > steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption, > just as much as anywhere. > > he does however point out

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:27:00AM +, Alexander Ross wrote: >> off topic: >> >> I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by >> a n

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:27:00AM +, Alexander Ross wrote: > off topic: > > I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by > a number of allwinner :( people: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_intern

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread Eric Duhamel
On November 27, 2016 6:12:03 PM PST, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >--- >crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson > wrote: > >> Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US >>

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:51 AM, FaTony wrote: > But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to > survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from > the inside, Russia as

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-27 Thread FaTony
> Furthermore, > much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s > insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and > unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west propa

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-27 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson wrote: > Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US > government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's > more just a l

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-27 Thread Jonathan Frederickson
>> Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after >> President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in >> Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized >> about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian >> countries:

[Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values

2016-11-27 Thread Alexander Ross
off topic: I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by a number of allwinner :( people: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_internet_values.html bit in particular i just read: " Just as one man’s freedom