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On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:41:19 +0200 fuumind wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2017 12:10:33 -0400 > Christopher Havel wrote: > > As for me, I'd > > rather live in the here and now than dwell on what might happen --but > > can't be known for sure-- in the

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That would be where I'm at. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:28 AM Christopher Havel wrote: > ...I wouldn't even go that far. I would say that I have a very limited > faith, insofar as I believe that living things have some sort of spirit or > soul that gives them life. That's

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...I wouldn't even go that far. I would say that I have a very limited faith, insofar as I believe that living things have some sort of spirit or soul that gives them life. That's quite literally the extent of it. I certainly don't believe in some sort of supreme being or 'force' or anything like

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Science is something I can and do believe in. I'll take what can be concretely proved over what can't, any day of the week. That said, I do reserve a bit of reverence of a sort (for lack of a better term) for what cannot be determined through strictly Cartesian means (i.e. deconstructing a thing

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On Tue, 30 May 2017 12:10:33 -0400 Christopher Havel wrote: > ... I'm not quite sure if you're replying to what I wrote or to what zap wrote or to both of us but I'll bite anyway. :) > > I guess the point here is, if we have good role models around us, we > can learn

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...you know, I never thought about that, but it's true. He got the only kind of immortality that really exists... he *is* remembered, and quite fondly so... ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk

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And so Tommy Locklear achieves what so many strive for, to be remembered, to have mattered. The ultimate compliment when ones dies "They were a good person, they will be missed" On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:11 AM Christopher Havel wrote: > Pardon me for saying, but the

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Pardon me for saying, but the thought that I don't have enough common sense in my own dang head to know right from wrong, I find that a little offensive. I learned honesty from a man named Tommy Locklear. You've never heard of him, but he was a wonderful and kind person, while he was around. You

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On 05/29/2017 11:08 PM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 5/29/17, David Niklas wrote: >>> The mountains of religious thought pumped into this thread has it >>> visibly oozing (I mean no offense). >> Ooh, it's coming to get you :) > Yes it is xD Spaghetti is gonna come to me in my

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On Tue, 9 May 2017 20:14:36 -0400 John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 5/9/17, Lyberta wrote: > > do...@mail.com: > >> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own > >> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result

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On Thu, 11 May 2017 09:57:04 +0200 fuumind wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2017 17:46:23 +0100 > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something about 20 > > years ago called the humanist society (or something

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On Wed, 10 May 2017 23:44:29 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:23 PM, zap wrote: > > > it is sad because they think they will be rewarded at the end. But they > > already have their temporary very short term reward.

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Elena ``of Valhalla'': > > Well, some people have faith, and they don't have a choice in having it > or not. Personally I feel it's like having another sense like smell: > imprecise, prone to misunderstanding, but it's there and those who have > it cannot deny that they feel something. Well, I

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On Wed, 10 May 2017 17:46:23 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something about 20 > years ago called the humanist society (or something like that). > apparently they live their lives according to a really quite [humane]

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On 2017-05-11 at 06:57:00 +, Lyberta wrote: > Believing in religion is like buying Apple's iPhone. Sure, it's shiny, > it has apps, you may feel good about yourself. But most people don't > understand how much they sacrifice by using it. Like downloading apps > not from Apple Store or not be

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Hendrik Boom: > But i have noticed that, true or false, a lot of people are helped by > belief in God. So the scientific question becomes, what is it that > actually helps them if God does not exist?? Well, I have found that critical thinking is the most important thing for consciousness. If

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2017-05-11 0:44 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:23 PM, zap wrote: > > > it is sad because they think they will be rewarded at the end. But they > > already have their temporary very short term reward. Though they

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > the next logical step in the chain was to analyse this emergent > evolutionary process "in general", and to conclude that the > intelligence is *NOT* a "birthright of humanity" as humans like to > arrogantly

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 05:46:23PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I'm an atheist whose basic emotional attitude is anger against God for > > not existing. > > hendrik, i have to be honest: don't

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:23 PM, zap wrote: > it is sad because they think they will be rewarded at the end. But they > already have their temporary very short term reward. Though they deserve > it, I feel a mixture of pity and anger towards them. steady, zap: i

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On 05/10/2017 03:13 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 8:02 PM, zap wrote: > >> To be honest, even atheists have a better chance of getting into heaven than >> those false teachers. > *cackle* :) > I thought someone would enjoy that sad

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 8:02 PM, zap wrote: > To be honest, even atheists have a better chance of getting into heaven than > those false teachers. *cackle* :) > Life is a challenge but hypocrisy is unneeded. it always makes me wonder, what do people get out of being

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > Exactly this. I always prefer to do something by choice. Being manipulated > is the one thing that I hate the most in life. But this takes time, and I > have come to a very similar conclusion to this society you are

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On 05/10/2017 02:23 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > > wrote: > > > > now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something about 20 > years ago called the humanist society (or something

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something about 20 > years ago called the humanist society (or something like that). > apparently they live their lives according to a really quite [humane]

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On 05/09/2017 10:56 PM, Lyberta wrote: > zap: >> I don't know if your religious or not, > I'm agnostic and I have extreme anti-religion views: > https://lyberta.net/articles/social/anti_religion.html Hmm that is rare, at least for me to hear, So you don't know if he exists, but you hate the

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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm an atheist whose basic emotional attitude is anger against God for > not existing. hendrik, i have to be honest: don't take it the wrong way ok, but i found this very very funny. windmills?? cheage!! :)

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zap: > I don't know if your religious or not, I'm agnostic and I have extreme anti-religion views: https://lyberta.net/articles/social/anti_religion.html >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: >> >>> Nobody "believes" in science. >> >> sadly, they do.

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On 5/9/17, zap wrote: > > > On 05/09/2017 08:14 PM, John Luke Gibson wrote: >> On 5/9/17, Lyberta wrote: >>> do...@mail.com: I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own potential for lack of a moral standard (it also

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That was fun On Tue, May 9, 2017, 6:14 PM John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 5/9/17, Lyberta wrote: > > do...@mail.com: > >> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own > >> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a

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On 5/9/17, Lyberta wrote: > do...@mail.com: >> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own >> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result of >> an Atheistic philosophy), and unable to accept a pointless existence. > > When I was

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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > > Nobody "believes" in science. > > sadly, they do. they're usually the ones who tell you that the > climate's absolutely fine. >

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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > Nobody "believes" in science. sadly, they do. they're usually the ones who tell you that the climate's absolutely fine. > The entire point of logically describing and > explaining the world via the means of science

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On 05/09/2017 06:33 AM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > > > 2017-05-09 11:48 GMT+02:00 mike.v...@gmail.com > >: > > > > 2017-05-09 10:45 GMT+02:00 Lyberta >: >

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2017-05-09 11:48 GMT+02:00 mike.v...@gmail.com : > > > 2017-05-09 10:45 GMT+02:00 Lyberta : > >> do...@mail.com: >> > I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own >> > potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a

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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:48 AM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > Science is not a fixed thing. It's an ever changing truth towards reality. there is one thing that i can caution against: permitting the victorian-era foundations on which science is based: the total and

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do...@mail.com: > I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own > potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result of > an Atheistic philosophy), and unable to accept a pointless existence. When I was 19, I was in a very bad situation. Everything I've ever

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That anime sounds intriguing I will check it out. On Apr 25, 2017 1:54 PM, "John Luke Gibson" wrote: > On 4/25/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, John Luke Gibson > > wrote: > > > >> Well the

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...not to mention, I'd like to think we're all better than that... We certainly should be -- *everyone* should be better than that. Basic common human decency at work, you know? ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk

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On 04/24/2017 02:10 PM, Lyberta wrote: > […] > > But I never gave up. As long as I'm alive, I want to kill people. If I > get a gun and go on a killing spree, I would be the life worth living. > > […] I’d suggest that you do some science to improve understanding of your condition or that you

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On 4/25/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, John Luke Gibson > wrote: > >> Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this >> situation that particular use of the word "problems" is tooo abstract. >>

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On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this > situation that particular use of the word "problems" is tooo abstract. > Ultimately, what that could mean is too many different things. When a >

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Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this situation that particular use of the word "problems" is tooo abstract. Ultimately, what that could mean is too many different things. When a system's components are damaging each other simultaneously, who gets to decide which one's

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Yea, unfortunately antipsychotic drugs are not good enough yet. Still the projected danger of not taking them and committing suicide or go on a killing spree over taking them and not committing suicide but live a lower quality life is higher. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson

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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Lyberta wrote: > again, for the countless time. I've spent years living in fear that > police will find me, but in the end I was the one who asked to be found. well i don't know about you, but i found this story to be quite touching that