[Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new email. Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. Because it is about 15eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse engineering and the outcome is uncertain. I agree on his arguments. I do n

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Hooold up there, Baba Looey! (for reference ) 30k is *not* a small number! 30k is a very large number. If I had 30k pennies in my bank account right now, instead of the 44 presently there, I'd be a happy man right now. I'd have

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

If you can get a crowdfund on a used/widely spread (and if lucky still in production) mali gpu and put the code under gpl you'll have 5 bucks and my voice around the people I know. The problem is always media coverage. You need to take examples on (ugh I have to say it) hype campaigns. I wish you

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-05-22 0:06 GMT+02:00 : > Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new > email. > Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. > Because it is about 15eu and new gpus will emerge during the reverse > engineering and the outcome is uncerta

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > > > > I do not know if 3 people are interested or if they can agree on one > board. > You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it? > Look at what happened to Luc Verhaegen. Arm has destroyed his life. The company is hard

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Le 22/05/2017 12:05, mike.v...@gmail.com a écrit : > 2017-05-22 0:06 GMT+02:00 : > >> Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new >> email. >> Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. >> Because it is about 15eu and new gpus will emerg

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:01 PM, mdn wrote: > The thing is, is that one wants to avoid to be persecuted you have to: > -Avoid electronic money (or at least one that doesn't tie your real name > too it). > -Having your name tied to the project it (staying anonymous) > -Having people who don't have

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Original Message From: Neil Jansen Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 17:28:21 -0400 If you reinterpret what I write then tell on

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 03:07:45PM -0400, ronwirr...@safe-mail.net wrote: > If you reinterpret what I write then tell on what grounds. I think lkcl's > reasons for not reverse engineering a mali are right. It is difficult to follow your argumentation. You write that you agree and disagree in the

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Original Message From: Pablo Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 22:40:07 +0200 > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 03:07:45PM -0400, ronw

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

folks, it's very interesting to note this discussion as being very (visually) difficult to read, because normally i reply to pretty much every discussion and i take particular care to do inline posting and to cut unnecessary context (as is being done here)... but also, from experience, it would see

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Original Message From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 21:48:05 +0100 > folks, it's very int

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:16 PM, wrote: >> what i *also* tend to do is to tidy up the sentences adding line-breaks >> as well as carriage-returns that separate out the paragraphs. this > > I will shorten lines. thx r

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:05:28 +0200 "mike.v...@gmail.com" wrote: > 2017-05-22 0:06 GMT+02:00 : > > > Because I deleted a previously email about this subject, I start a new > > email. > > Info. Lkcl said, he is not in favor of reverse engineering a mali gpu. > > Because it is about 15eu and new

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On 30/05/17 22:48, do...@mail.com wrote: Well, I'd put ten dollars to a campaign like this without a HW reward. I'm assuming that beings that there are so many Mali GPUs and hacker boards out there that other people would also be very interested in this. What would I need to know to do this? Quic

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Wed, 31 May 2017 00:16:42 +0200 sam via arm-netbook wrote: > On 30/05/17 22:48, do...@mail.com wrote: > > Well, I'd put ten dollars to a campaign like this without a HW reward. > > I'm assuming that beings that there are so many Mali GPUs and hacker > > boards out there that other people would

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On 06/17/2017 09:39 AM, David Niklas wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2017 00:16:42 +0200 > sam via arm-netbook wrote: >> On 30/05/17 22:48, do...@mail.com wrote: >>> Well, I'd put ten dollars to a campaign like this without a HW reward. >>> I'm assuming that beings that there are so many Mali GPUs and h

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, zap wrote: > IF you can figure out how to reverse engineer the 3d engine, ikcl would > be very happy I am sure. that used to be the case but is no longer true. please read section 2.5 of the bill of ethics before proceeding further with this thread: https://www

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

> if we proceed to reverse-engineer MALI, logically it results in > people buying more ARM products. > > if people buy more ARM products, logically it results in more money > (resources) going to support ARM's illegal and unethical actions. > > any action which is taken that results in support o

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

Aftermarket devices fail to support original dev's the same way used books fail to support original authors, so that is also a consideration. On 6/18/17, Bill Kontos wrote: >> if we proceed to reverse-engineer MALI, logically it results in >> people buying more ARM products. >> >> if people buy

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: >> if we proceed to reverse-engineer MALI, logically it results in >> people buying more ARM products. >> >> if people buy more ARM products, logically it results in more money >> (resources) going to support ARM's illegal and unethical actions

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

> > has NVIDIA engaged in similar illegal or unethical practices to that > which ARM carried out against luc verhaegen, which we know were and > are sanctioned by the CTO of ARM? Sorry I chopped it off to keep the conclusion only. Nvidia switched to requiring signed binary firmware with a blown f

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On 06/18/2017 02:09 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, zap wrote: > >> IF you can figure out how to reverse engineer the 3d engine, ikcl would >> be very happy I am sure. > that used to be the case but is no longer true. please read section > 2.5 of the

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On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:56 PM, zap wrote: > Hmm... just out of curiosity, what is your plan then? to make your own > processors from lowrisc? replying in part to bill here as well: yes. and to use MIAOW for OpenCL and ORSOC GPU for actual rendering. it won't be perfect but it will be a sta

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On 06/18/2017 03:14 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:56 PM, zap wrote: > >> Hmm... just out of curiosity, what is your plan then? to make your own >> processors from lowrisc? > replying in part to bill here as well: yes. and to use MIAOW for > OpenCL and ORS

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On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:02 PM, zap wrote: > Tell me what you think of lowrisc when you get a chance. I mean as a > base for your processors. heh. i feel that the lowrisc team fit better with the ethics of what i would like to see be achieved (note deliberate use of third person, i.e. that i

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On 06/18/2017 06:45 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:02 PM, zap wrote: > >> Tell me what you think of lowrisc when you get a chance. I mean as a >> base for your processors. heh. > i feel that the lowrisc team fit better with the ethics of what i > would like

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:06 AM, zap wrote: > According to the lowrisc website though, you can make a 64 bit processor > if you so choose though. yes. the minioncores would be on the same bus, not requiring any kind of cache coherency with either each other or with the main 64-bit CPU(s), eith

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On 06/18/2017 09:39 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:06 AM, zap wrote: > >> According to the lowrisc website though, you can make a 64 bit processor >> if you so choose though. > yes. the minioncores would be on the same bus, not requiring any > kind of cache

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Sun Jun 18 07:09:40 BST 2017, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl at lkcl.net wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, zap wrote: > > > IF you can figure out how to reverse engineer the 3d engine, ikcl > > would be very happy I am sure. > > that used to be the case but is no longer true. ple

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM, David Niklas wrote: > Now can we get back to how to do the reverse engineering itself? Someone should suggest Luc to open a monthly patreon-styled donation page for working on lima. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-net

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On 06/23/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM, David Niklas wrote: > >> Now can we get back to how to do the reverse engineering itself? > Someone should suggest Luc to open a monthly patreon-styled donation > page for working on lima. I second this notion. revers

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On 06/23/2017 11:29 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM, David Niklas wrote: > >> Now can we get back to how to do the reverse engineering itself? > Someone should suggest Luc to open a monthly patreon-styled donation > page for working on lima. If ARM is still as openly host

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On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Mike Leimon wrote: > Honestly, I think that working together with people who are openly > developing a GPU design and who would probably be quite welcoming > of assistance from Luc would be a much better situation for him than if > he went back to trying to work

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Mike Leimon wrote: > If ARM is still as openly hostile as they appear to be towards reverse > engineering of their GPU designs, I don't think that pursuing lima > development is a very good option. I suspect that if development of the > driver resumes, they will p

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore | libre GPU discussion

> On 24 Jun 2017, at 6:03 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Mike Leimon wrote: > >> Honestly, I think that working together with people who are openly >> developing a GPU design and who would probably be quite welcoming >> of assistance from Luc would be a much bett

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore | libre GPU discussion

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Bluey wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance in such matters but would it be possible to > use a RISC-V or FPGA chip as an interim eGPU until such time that a more > specialised chip can be developed and released? on its own (as-is), no. however with certain very