I do agree a lot that self-learning exercise makes a hell lot of difference to mind and body and, for this sake, to ARSList as well. However I would like to draw attention to some simple facts: - Language: AR is sold in lots of places around the world, and believe, not everyone speaks English. Yes, of course English is the "preferred" language! What to say?! Plus not everyone knows what clue-by-4 means. And ROFL? - Money: lots of us, posters from all over the world, do not get our salaries in dollars. So, think in terms of applying yourself versus money you get to it. Sense of achievement? Yes! I find it beautiful the capacity of some to dedicate to something for so long, but what about other basic needs? - Time: the invaluable time. If you have it and want to answer, do it! If not, just ignore the question! I suppose it will make the poster (better still, their employer) spend some money in a proper course.
Please understand that I am putting some time here to try and say that everyone has their reasons to ask and to complain. Like Scott Parrish, I do see value in all comments. Well, use the list to ask simple questions, answers them, vent your spleen or just read them like a lot of us do. Enough said! PS: for the achronyms and abbreviations, see www.stands4.com and by the way (or BTW) I found it with the help of super Google. Júlio -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Grant Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 6:55 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters Another resource that I have used for years is the ARList Archieve. For some reason, as of late it seems to be out of commission. Does anyone know how to get to it?? The old archieve could be found here: http://listserv.rbugs.com/archive/arslist.html Russ Grant San Diego, CA >From: Susan Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:06:11 -0500 > >I have always been amazed at how patient many of the responders are to >posters. Especially when you can tell that there is no way any attempt to >look in the manuals or the arslist archives was done. > >It is hard to sometimes find what you're looking for in the pdf's, much >less >the knowledge base on the support site. But if you are taking the time to >just read these postings, whether they actually apply to something you're >doing at the time, you get a feel for the 'lingo' and maybe it will help in >your searches and education. > >Of course the people that are lazy are not reading this, they are just >looking for someone to do their work basically. What is really scary, is >that some of them are consultants! > >Thanks to all the patient responders! > >Susan > > >On 5/9/06, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Ah, Andy, you're alright! As I stated earlier, so are about 98% of the >>rest of the posters. >> >>Sorry if I seemed a little harsh on the other 2% - none of whom are >>first time offenders - but sometimes nice don't feed the bulldog. >> >>Rick >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mayfield, Andy L. >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:02 AM >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >>Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters >> >>I have taken the admin course for 4.5 and can figure out most of the >>simple things, but I am by no means a programmer and struggle at times >>getting new features to work. I have always found this list to be very >>helpful; the most helpful thing there is actually. I have access to the >>manuals online from the Remedy website, but frequently have no idea >>where to even begin looking. So I must admit I often try the list before >>scouring pdf's, but I have always found folks here to be a great help. >> >>I have actually wished someone would ask a question simple enough that I >>could offer an answer (-: >> >> >>Andy L. Mayfield >>System Operation Specialist >>Alabama Power Company >>Office: 8-226-1805 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Reenus >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:44 AM >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >>Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters >> >>Exactly! I was without a manual or training for several weeks when I >>first started. >> >> >> >From: Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters >> >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:56:41 -0700 >> > >> >Personally, I'd rather like to see a little less scolding and a little >>more >> >helping. Nobody knows what this person's situation is, whether or not >>they >> >have a manual (or for that matter any experience with ARS). >> > >> > >> >On 5/9/06, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>Preach it, brother! I'm not the admin, nor am I Claire (there could >> >>only one Claire!), so I'll let others admonish people like Carl to >> >>actually contribute something before insulting longtime and >>substantial >> >>contributors like Phil. >> >> >> >>But Phil and Gidd are right, and it's high time for some people to get >>a >> >>wake-up call with a clue-by-4. >> >> >> >>** DISCLAIMER ** This does NOT apply to about 98% of the posters to >> >>this list. This is not telling newbies "Go away". This is not an >> >>attempt to scare anyone away. My stated comments are my own. >> >> >> >>Here's the progression, for those apparently new to such processes. >> >> >> >>1) You encounter a problem with a Remedy product. >> >>2) You try to fix it yourself. >> >>3) You seek help from your co-workers (if any). >> >>4) You read the manuals and check the Remedy KB to see if there's some >> >>tidbit of information that might help with that process. >> >>5) Repeat steps 2-4 at least until the most apparent solutions have >>been >> >>tried. >> >>6) You contact Remedy Support and/or the list. >> >>7) You (probably) receive help from Remedy Support and/or the list. >> >> >> >>The ARSList is here to help people who have first made a substantial >> >>effort to help themselves. It is intended to be an aid to, not a >> >>substitute for, learning how to do your job. While we were all >>newbies >> >>at some point, and we don't mind helping other newbies gain >>experience, >> >>there are a few people, including several from an offshore >>organization, >> >>who have shown a consistent pattern of asking basic questions to the >> >>list instead of taking the time to read the manuals provided with the >> >>product, and to actually grow their skills beyond that of newbie. >> >> >> >>Were I one of these few individuals, or an employee of this >> >>organization, I would hope that I would do what most posters do here - >> >>display to the rest of my professional community that I had the skills >> >>and initiative to at least learn to code my way out of a wet paper bag >> >>with a map, a knife, and a flashlight. Remedy isn't THAT hard to >>learn. >> >> >> >>Executive Summary: Please respect the time of those who are trying to >> >>help others by trying to help yourself first. >> >> >> >>Sergeant-at-Arms: Haul these miscreants away... :) >> >> >> >>Rick >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gidd Calden >> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:12 AM >> >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >>Subject: Re: Pager Notifications. >> >> >> >>Carl, >> >> >> >>Do you mean that physically or verbally ? >> >> >> >>In defense of Phil, and he needs no defense, he makes a good Point. >> >> >> >>While it is often easier to ask a question on the list, perhaps that >> >>should be preceded by the requestor's research including looking at a >> >>manual once in awhile. There are more then a few listers that have a >> >>tendency to ask a question and then wait for the reply and not do any >> >>self help on their side.... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ! >> >> >> >>Claire, chime in here if I am to far out in left field? Doh !! >> >> >> >>Has Remedy stopped shipping pdf guides, manuals and reference >>materials >> >>now? >> >> >> >>My .02 >> >> >> >>Regards...Gidd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Reenus >> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:40 AM >> >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >>Subject: Re: Pager Notifications. >> >> >> >>Ha, what an ass! >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >> >Subject: Re: Pager Notifications. >> >> >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:05:45 -0400 >> >> > >> >> >Got a manual? Ever read it? Been to training? We have, try it. >> >> >-----Original message----- >> >> >From: Mallikharjunudu_Chidella [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:36:21 -0400 >> >> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> >> >Subject: Pager Notifications. >> >> > >> >> >:-) Hi list, >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) SLA have 2 notification one is "Email" and the other is "Pager". >> >> >Email >> >> >:-) Notification can be created using "Send Alert or Email" and for >> >> >pager we :-) should use "Send Page or Run Process" option to create >> >> >pager :-) notification through command line statement to send a page >>or >> >> >> >> >run an :-) executable. >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) Can you please let me know about the command line statement to >>be >> >> >given >> >> >:-) in the "Send Page or Run Process" for the pager notification. >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) Thanks in advance. :o) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) Thanks >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) Malli >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) >> >> >:-) DISCLAIMER: >> >> >:-) This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole >>use >> >> >> >> >of >> >> >:-) the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is >> >> >CONFIDENTIAL >> >> >:-) AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. 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