Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Sweety
Totally agree with Misi. Putting all together in simple way TR - Holds only transaction values coming from API or remedy workflow DB - Holds the values present in database Just a field - Checks the value changes/entered by user and if it is blank, a check is made against database values. Hope th

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
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Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
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Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Thad Esser
ty' = "Gotham" > >> >> > > >> >> > So according to my understanding, it is incorrect to say that > >> 'TR.City' > >> >> is > >> >> > the same as 'City' at all times. > >> >> > >

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Charlie Lotridge
y > understanding > >> of > >> >> TR, > >> >> > there is one small difference. MAYBE, I'm wrong and if so, I would > >> love > >> >> to > >> >> > be corrected. > >> >> > > >> >

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-19 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
so, I would >> love >> >> to >> >> > be corrected. >> >> > >> >> > I can best explain this with an example. >> >> > >> >> > Lets say a record is created and there is a field called 'City' and >> >&g

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-18 Thread Randeep Atwal
change in the value) >> > 'DB.City' = "Gotham" >> > >> > Case 2: When the value in the field 'City' is changed during a >> modification >> > to "Xanadu" >> > 'City' = "Xanadu" >&

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-18 Thread Charlie Lotridge
a field called 'City' and > >> during > >> > creation, that field was set to "Gotham".. > >> > > >> > Case 1: When there is no change in the 'City' value during the > >> modification. > >> > 'City' = "Gotham" &

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-17 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
t; 'TR.City' = $NULL$ (as there was no transactional change in the value) >> > 'DB.City' = "Gotham" >> > >> > Case 2: When the value in the field 'City' is changed during a >> modification >> > to "Xanadu" >>

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-17 Thread Charlie Lotridge
Hi all, I have to admit that I've never once used the TR. construct, and I've been working with this system a long time. I guess I've always assumed it had a reasonable usage but, since I was always able to accomplish everything I needed to do with the 'Field' and 'DB.Field' constructs, I never lo

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-11 Thread Joe D'Souza
R.City' is the same as 'City' at all times. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:28 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Tra

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-11 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
Hi, There is one single real benefit from using TR-values. If you have a field that is only referenced as 'TR.Field' in the run-if of any filter, the database value will not be retrieved during the transaction. This is a small performance benefit. If you have any non-TR field reference in the ru

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-11 Thread Theo Fondse (Gmail)
4) Forget to change the lookup field attributes if the actual field attributes has been changed. Therefore, the need for Transactional (TR) and Database (DB) values on filter level. HTH. Best Regards, Theo -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailt

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-11 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
uot; > 'City' = "Xanadu" > 'TR.City' = "Xanadu" > 'DB.City' = "Gotham" > > So according to my understanding, it is incorrect to say that 'TR.City' is > the same as 'City' at all times. > > Cheers > &

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-11 Thread William Rentfrow
inal Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Smith Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 10:22 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB) Hi List, We can achieve things without using TR and DB values

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread LJ LongWing
ot;Xanadu" > 'TR.City' = "Xanadu" > 'DB.City' = "Gotham" > > So according to my understanding, it is incorrect to say that 'TR.City' is > the same as 'City' at all times. > > Cheers > > Joe > > > -Origina

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
Hi, The TR values are pretty useless. The reason is that a TR value can be set to NULL either by a change to NULL or by not changing the field at all. In the latter case the field will retain the value in the database after the transaction, but in the first case the NULL will be written to the da

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread Jason Miller
Some wonder why TR was built others say it works fine. I thought I had a good handle on TR but now reading the differing opinions I am questing my understanding of TR. Some posts indicate it is completely useless and can't be trusted. Some other indicate like a weapon as long as you treat it

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread LJ LongWing
James, I've been doing Remedy for awhile now, and I'll be honest...I don't use TR much, and most people that DO use it, don't understand the intricacies of using it properly. DB is a good tool for determining if the current value is different than the currently stored in the DB value, and I use it

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread Brittain, Mark
slist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB) Hi List, We can achieve things without using TR and DB values in a filter by just using Field but I do not understand why they have been developed to use? I have heard from many remedy developers like Misi and BMC who suggest not to

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-10 Thread Jason Miller
Some wonder why TR was built others say it works fine. I thought I had a good handle on TR but now reading the differing opinions I am questing my understanding of TR. Some posts indicate it is completely useless and can't be trusted. Some other indicate like a weapon as long as you treat it

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-09 Thread Thad Esser
James, TR.Field - "Transactional" value. Its the value that will be used in the "UPDATE" sql statement that gets sent to the database. DB.Field - "Database" value. It's the value that is currently in the database. Field - Without TR or DB, the value used is the "most current" value for the field

Re: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-09 Thread Joe D'Souza
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Smith Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:22 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Transactional (TR) and Database (DB) Hi List, We can achieve things without using TR and DB values in a filter by just using Field but I do not understand why they have be

Transactional (TR) and Database (DB)

2014-05-08 Thread James Smith
Hi List, We can achieve things without using TR and DB values in a filter by just using Field but I do not understand why they have been developed to use? I have heard from many remedy developers like Misi and BMC who suggest not to use TR and DB in Run If qualification of a filter but why? Wh