Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-08 Thread Thomas Harty via ARTIQ
> The coarse f0 DUC (as per the proposal) would be tens of multipliers > instead of eight CORDICs+accumulators. We'd need an exploratory > project to get hard numbers for the resource trade of. I think a short exploratory project would be a good idea, as I have no real means of making an informe

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-09 Thread Robert Jördens via ARTIQ
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:15 PM Thomas Harty wrote: > I think a short exploratory project would be a good idea, as I have no real > means of making an informed decision about where to shoot for on the > performance/flexibility v complexity scale. 8 CORDICS + accumulators on 8 > channels sounds l

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-09 Thread Thomas Harty via ARTIQ
> Debugging is one aspect. But a ballpark estimate for the resource usage increase when going from 600 MHz to 1 GHz and adding all the bells and whistles that people said they need would be 2x the logic. Good to know, thanks. Where are we in terms of resource usage with the current design? What

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-09 Thread Slichter, Daniel H. (Fed) via ARTIQ
> What "bells and whistles" do you mean? Do you mean things like fancy > modulation/demodulation schemes for PDH locks etc? Let's have a bells and > whistles list and see what we can agree to cull. Agreed, I think a list of the current "bells and whistles" would help a lot in terms of thinking

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-10 Thread Robert Jördens via ARTIQ
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:56 AM Thomas Harty wrote: > Where are we in terms of resource usage with the current design? What's a > rough upper bound on how high we can push the resource utilization on an FPGA > for this kind of design before timing closure/compile times/etc becomes a > nightmare

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Harty via ARTIQ
> IIRC resource usage is around 50%-60% now. But have a look at any Vivado run. > It gets increasingly hard anywhere between 70 and 90% depending on the > routing. Thanks for clarifying that. Okay, so it really is the case that with the current design getting the 1GSPS data rate, 8-channel S

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Harty via ARTIQ
> All correct, except the last bit: the digital equivalent of DC/LO > leakage is less than one LSB. There will be a spur but it's well controlled. Remind me, for the current design, what's a 1 LSB spur in dBc? How does that scale with the width parameters? > How low do the other spurs have to

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-11 Thread Robert Jördens via ARTIQ
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:28 PM Thomas Harty wrote: > Remind me, for the current design, what's a 1 LSB spur in dBc? How does that > scale with the width parameters? 1 LSB is -96 dBc. But e.g. the AA filter is currently -58 dB stopband. > > And regarding the benefit I don't see a reason why t

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-11 Thread Robert Jördens via ARTIQ
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 12:12 PM Thomas Harty wrote: > - Moninj: Chris B/David N will be able to give a better-informed view on this > than me, but my feeling is that moninj isn't actually that useful for the > SAWG. What would SAWG moninj include? Leaving aside the work/funding required > to i

Re: [ARTIQ] ARTIQ Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9

2018-08-24 Thread Thomas Harty via ARTIQ
> I have spelled out in previous emails why I think there is a very compelling > physics case for us to be able to run at 800 MSPS/1 GSPS (8x f_rtio at > 100 MHz or 125 MHz RTIO freq, respectively), > At intermediate field (119 G), relevant 9Be+ transitions are between 1 GHz > and 1.4 GHz, so usin