**** The names, places,etc. I gave here are illustrative only, not necessarily the actual events or places. May not have been Orissa, may not be Dantewada, may not be Vedanta.
On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Chan Mahanta wrote: > You are taking the issue too literally Dhruba. > > The point should have been the totally incomparable examples, held up to be > similar by Dilip. The scale, the circumstances are impossibly different. One > does not even come close to the other. > > Dilip got robbed in Paris, while vacationing. Did he lose his house? His > employment, his livelihood? Does this continue to happen to him, unabated? > > The people in Orissa (?) who lost their land and their livelihoods, never > received compensation ( just came to light , 23 yrs. later, but no guarantee > of yet receiving any). Having had no relief from the institutions of their > state that some continue to wave as 'democratic' , so must be benevolent, > just, timely and all things holy, they took to arms, placing their lives on > the line. > > Now compare the two: Dilip's hardships in his Parisian vacation, and > Dantewada's indigenous people who lived off their land from time immemorial, > losinit to corporate greed of Vedanta. > > > Dilip was right about not having purchased a gun to defend his property. That > is because he HAS his government provide that service. If someone attempted > to take a piece of his property , he can go to to the court, and he could get > a decision in his life-time, actually much shorter, probably within a year. > > Compare that to the 23 years it took in Dantewada (?) just to be noticed by > the high-court, finally. Did they get help from the police? From civil > authorities? Heck NO! > > So do the two compare? Should Dilip have even attempted that to draw the > conclusion he did? > > Does it look nice :-)? > > > You know the answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: > >> >>> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. >> >> >> >> Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After >> being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was >> thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to >> save her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from >> the tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his >> place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his >> place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's >> movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's >> most popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu. >> >> >> >> Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun? >> >> >> >> You must have learn something after being robbed. >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700 >>> From: dilipd...@yahoo.com >>> To: assam@assamnet.org >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: >>> Green panel >>> >>> More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a >>> democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for >>> civilians in USA. >>> Are you an NRA member? >>> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <assam@assamnet.org> >>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: >>> Green >>> panel >>> >>> >>> Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? >>> >>> But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their >>> DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the >>> light >>> of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? >>> >>> >>> Or is that too complicated? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: >>> >>>> Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian >>>> must >>>> have a gun to make a point? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>>> <assam@assamnet.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM >>>> Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green >>> panel >>>> >>>> So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to >>>> defend >>> >>>> your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent >>>> to >>>> guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does >>>> notice, >>>> >>>> don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom >>>> it. I >>>> >>>> wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the >>>> difference for >>>> >>>> the people after all. >>>> >>>> cm >>>> >>>> >>>> Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel >>>> >>>> Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India >>>> Business - Business - The Times of India >>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX >>>> X >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> NEW DELHI: >>>> Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining >>>> at >>>> Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis >>>> of >>>> false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, >>>> >>>> Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government >>>> colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of >>>> the >>>> findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday >>>> recommended >>> >>>> that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of >>>> the >>> >>>> Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred >>>> indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project >>>> brings >>>> out >>>> >>>> the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental >>>> protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed >>>> sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of >>>> Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence >>>> alienated >>>> >>>> tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry >>>> panel >>> >>>> signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally >>>> muscled >>>> their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take >>>> action >>>> against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena >>>> committee >>>> >>>> report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in >>>> Orissa, >>> >>>> comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, >>>> heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project >>>> in >>>> Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct >>>> investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs >>>> 10,000 >>>> >>>> crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi >>>> Mumbai >>>> >>>> airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the >>>> ministry >>>> >>>> of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the >>>> aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest >>>> Conservation >>>> >>>> Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to >>>> nail >>> >>>> the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly >>>> violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the >>>> mining >>> >>>> project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the >>>> officials >>>> >>>> involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for >>>> years. , >>>> "The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to >>>> consider the >>>> >>>> clearance," said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. >>>> Asked >>>> >>>> if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, "Without >>>> prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates >>>> laws >>>> and >>>> >>>> still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with >>>> it >>>> later." , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory >>>> Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to >>>> take a >>> >>>> final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, "This committee is >>>> of >>>> the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by >>>> depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed >>>> mining >>> >>>> area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal >>>> people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the >>>> security and well-being of the entire country." , The report records how >>>> the >>>> state government falsified documents and concealed information from the >>>> central >>>> >>>> government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while >>>> the >>>> company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The >>>> aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal >>>> notices >>>> from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery >>>> to >>>> produce 6 million tonnes of aluminium per annum instead of the 1 million >>>> tonnes >>>> >>>> per annum plant that it had got the green clearance for. , The committee >>>> -- >>>> that >>>> >>>> included S Parasuraman, director of Tata Institute of Social Sciences; >>>> Promode >>>> >>>> Kant, retired forest official; and Amita Baviskar, professor at the >>>> Institute >>>> >>>> of Economic Growth -- pointed out how right from the beginning, the firm >>>> had >>>> furnished falsified reports to the Centre to seek clearance, and how the >>>> state >>>> >>>> officials ranging from the highest bureaucrats to the collectors of two >>>> districts either refused to enforce existing laws or simply colluded with >>>> the >>>> company to deny the tribals right over their lands., Read more: Vedanta >>>> mines >>>> illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The >>>> Times >>>> >>>> of India >>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpLtMGod >>>> d >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
