At 7:55 AM -0600 10/5/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
No, C'da, I see only effects.
*** But having willfully discarded the curiosity to learn about the
causes, you have lost the most important tool you need to be a part
of the solution.
After all, to those affected it would seem 'da
No, C'da, I see only effects.
After all, to those affected it would seem *'damn the causes, I have a dead
son/daughter/wife/husband. here'*
and to others it might be *'damn the dead, lets find out who can blame
here?'*
--Ram
On 10/5/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Your con
Very well said Mridul.
At 12:11 AM -0700 10/5/07, Mridul Bhuyan wrote:
"What you miss Ram is that INSURGENTS are PEOPLE, who are driven to
armed uprising, in the pursuit of POLITICAL RIGHTS, which they are
deprived of.
In a real, functioning democracy, run by people who BELIEVE in
Your confusions Ram, is a result of a self induced inability to
separate effects from causes. That simple.
At 6:50 AM -0600 10/5/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
The basic question (as I understood it from C'da's posting) was the
accordance (lack of it) of humanity by the Govt. No one really says
*** First off, WHAT does that have to do with HOW ordinary, meek
Oxomiyas turned into
INSURGENTS ? Where was India's democracy then? Or even now?
Or for that matter of other Indians turning into NAXALITES? Were
they born that way? Spoilt
brats of rich people turning into vio
C'da:
I regret to say that Assamnet has become a brickbatting ground.
You on one side with complete animosity for India and the Government where
you grew up and became a somebody in your own rights. And the others who
automatically become half witts for putting forward their best foot and
their bes
The basic question (as I understood it from C'da's posting) was the
accordance (lack of it) of humanity by the Govt. No one really says that
insurgents should NOT be given due process of the law and NOT be treated
humanely.
But shouldn't there also be a quid quo pro? Shouldn't the so many innocent
What about Naxalite movements in various parts of India? It has been said that
those groups hold sway over a big chunk of India. Moreover, I fail to
understand one thing. The INSURGENTS calling for secession and being at WAR
with India can avail of procedures like habeas corpus through Indian Co
"What you miss Ram is that INSURGENTS are PEOPLE, who are driven to armed
uprising, in the pursuit of POLITICAL RIGHTS, which they are deprived of.
In a real, functioning democracy, run by people who BELIEVE in it, not merely
wave as a facade at those whose approval they so seek, there woul
Ram:
One of the MOST fundamental norms of a CIVILIZED, democratic society
is that you don't go shoot up your people who are demonstrating or
are holding a civil protest, EVEN if it gets unruly.
You arrest them for breaking laws, if that is what it is, then give
them a fair trial, punish if
KC,
Just want to clear a few things (IMHO).
A democracy does NOT mean that the country should not protect itself against
anti-social elements, specially those accompanied by violence.
The BPP and say, the KKK are both extreme examples of US society. But US
Federal law is very clear:
The US does
>What you miss Ram is that INSURGENTS are PEOPLE, who are driven to armed
uprising, in the pursuit of POLITICAL RIGHTS, which they are >deprived of
C'da,
And what you might be missing is that those killed by insurgents, are people
too.
Where is the humanity that we seem to all wear on our sleeves
What you miss Ram is that INSURGENTS are PEOPLE, who are driven to
armed uprising, in the pursuit of POLITICAL RIGHTS, which they are
deprived of.
In a real, functioning democracy, run by people who BELIEVE in it,
not merely wave as a facade at those whose approval they so seek,
there would h
> A! The use of language to deny the humanity of 'insurgents' , as
if
>they are NOT people. Not Nagas, not >Shans, not Manipuris,
>not Oxomiyas---they are just INSURGENTS and so fair game.
C'da,
I doubt if any sane government will just allow insurgents to do what they
please - hole up i
He is upset that the GOI would reach across the border to seek the
help of Burma/Bhutan with the >insurgency problem.
A! The use of language to deny the humanity of 'insurgents'
, as if they are NOT people. Not Nagas, not Shans, not Manipuris,
not Oxomiyas---they are just INSURGENT
>This is probably the reason why Sri Ram Sarangapani did not understand the
dig if any.
Oh!. I understood the dig alright (I've known C'da for many years now:)).
But what he fails to undersatand is that the GOI may on the one hand seek
help from the military Junta with a couple of goals in mind (
Are the people of India and its government the same thing?
Perceptive question. And it would absolve those who are NOT
blind / unquestioning supporters of Indian governmental hypocrisies.
But then I would not have posted the response I did, to those who do
not deserve to be fingered
> >So what, if US hob-nobs with Military Ruled Pakistan,
> So what, if US promoted Talibans to counter Soviet
>(and now fighting the same Talibans !), so what if US
>turned a blind eye to Tienman Square . all while
>waving a flag of DEMOKRASY ..
That is a terrific defense!
Onl
People of India may demand that its Govt should exert its influence over the
Myanmar Junta so that it does not resort to repression. Are the people of India
and its government the same thing? I am amazed at the naivete. This is probably
the reason why Sri Ram Sarangapani did not understand the d
Heh-heh!
That was one heck of a JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS you undertook Ram.
Did *I* suggest or even IMPLY that India ought to have cut-off
diplomatic relations?
What I was pointing to was a far more HYPOCRITICAL stance:
Government of India has decided to provide all assistance to Myanmar
Diplomacy is a different ball game altogether. Even in the time of war, two
antipodal forces maintain such ties till the last possible moment. Even after
that the bridge is not always burnt. There are no permanent enemies or friends
in that sphere.
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What leaves me curious about is if GoI was aware of Burma's military
>dictatorship's activities spanning decades, as relates to its people's
democratic >aspirations, and how it fit with India's own dedication to
democracy?
C'da, just couldn't resist. Yes, India is a democracy, and it has know
Greetings Goswami. It is heartwarming to see
Kharkhowa xangbadik xokolor utkontha ( Assamese
journalist's concerns) about the Burmese people's
struggles for democratic rights.
And my Kharkhowa heart glows with pride with the
powerful stance you all took in support of
democratic values b
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