Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:53:00 -0400 Tony Harminc wrote: :>On 28 August 2012 10:53, Steve Hobson wrote: :>> Younger readers may like to know that years ago we would test the low two :>> bits of R15 for zero like this: :>> CLI *+1,B'1100' :>> EXR15,*-4 :>> BNE error

Re: SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=201

2012-08-29 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Then the binder should have given you a warning about the 3 byte adcon. Even though warnings tend to have the "acceptable" rc=4, they should still be examined. On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:18:02 GMT "esst...@juno.com" wrote: :>Thanks For Responding :>RMODE is actually ANY :>But I see Your Point. :>I

New instructions on EC12

2012-08-29 Thread Martin Truebner
Rob, >> Anyone seen what the zEC-12 brought us as new instructions? Nothing mentioned- but JAVA adjustment in realtime would need new counters (HIS in z/OS). Haven' check the shelf for a new version for the EC12. 2GB buffers for DB2 would need other (now valid) length codes for a few priv-ops t

Re: ASSEMBLER-LIST Digest - 27 Aug 2012 to 28 Aug 2012 (#2012-155)

2012-08-29 Thread Brent Longborough
Myself, in place of *-4 EQU * I prefer *-4 DC 0H'0' as it ensures alignment and ensure the TXT records are zero-filled. Brent Longborough > -Original Message- > Date:Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:47:36 +0100 > From:Steve Hobson > Subject: Re: which instruc

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread McKown, John
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Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread John Gilmore
Binyamin Dissen writes: Yes, the difference between real world programming and ivory tower programming. In real world programming you want the sequences to be familiar so that others can more easily maintain the programs. Those with a view from the top of Mt. Olympus may think otherwise, but thei

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 8/29/2012 6:33 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Second, and more important, while Mr Dissen's notion that stereotyped, 'easy to understand' code sequences are to be prized "in the real world" is his to cherish, I find it unattractive. Such sequences, often copied unreflectively from elsewhere, are too

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread John Gilmore
I am not really arguing against the use of such functional units as | . . . MVI/MVC to clear a field by propagation . . . which I like to call 'idioms'. I had/have rather longer sequences in mind, and I think Mr Dissen did too. My railings against the repeated, not very thoughtful use of stereo

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Aug 28, 2012, at 17:35, Tony Harminc wrote: > > You can very quickly find out if an instruction is available on your > machine by looking at the instruction table provided by the good folks > at Tachon Software. > > http://www.tachyonsoft.com/inst390o.htm > Is that up to date? I understand that

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Aug 29, 2012, at 08:35, John Gilmore wrote: > > More generally, while IBM's efforts to optimize instruction sequences > that it finds frequently in its code samples are unambiguously > praiseworthy, I am more doubtful about systematiic attempts to exploit > them. Its C-and-PL/I optimization mac

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread John Gilmore
I do know of one such list; but it is highly unofficial, not of course mine, and not for me to disseminate. Someone else may be in a position to be more helpful. Worth repeating is that nny such list, like its elements, is obsolescent when it is published. Such obsolescence is also a problem wit

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread John Ganci
Private reply. Is there a list of the "stereotyped" code sequences? I'm already aware of the LA and MVI/MVC sequence. People on the list might like to see a complete list. Would make a great SHARE presentation! Regards, John Ganci On 8/29/2012 8:58 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 8/29/2012 6:33 A

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread John Ehrman
Binyamin Dissen commented: >Yes, the difference between real world programming and ivory tower >programming. In real world programming you want the sequences to be >familiar so that others can more easily maintain the programs. Those >with a view from the top of Mt. Olympus may think otherwise, but

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 8/29/2012 11:07 AM, John Ehrman wrote: But be careful: I've seen many examples of poor coding practices that -- simply because they were familar -- were propagated from one program to another, to the detriment of all. When I worked for a large bank in the 1980s, and saw how "new" JCL was co

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Martin Truebner
Ed, >> ... is descended from the same singular ... Happens everywhere. It is called "first line syndrome". -- Martin Pi_cap_CPU - all you ever need around MWLC/SCRT/CMT in z/VSE more at http://www.picapcpu.de

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 29 August 2012 20:42, Edward Jaffe wrote: > On 8/29/2012 11:07 AM, John Ehrman wrote: > >> >> But be careful: I've seen many examples of poor coding practices that -- >> simply because they were familar -- were propagated from one program to >> another, to the detriment of all. >> > > When I w

Re: which instructions should I use?

2012-08-29 Thread Scott Ford
Yep, have seen the same in network design, application design ...design it config or code it, that's it ...never look back sometimes Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Martin Truebner wrote: > Ed, > >>> ... is descended from the same singular ... > > Happens everywhe