Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Truebner
John, >> Dividing and taking the remainder to achieve a more-fewer mapping is---by definition---division-method hashing; and I insist: the number of possible input values is 46656 and this is the number of output values exact 46656 (not more-fewer but identical) - and (surprise surprise) 46656

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread John Gilmore
Martin Truebner (Trübner?) writes: and I insist: the number of possible input values is 46656 and this is the number of output values exact 46656 (not more-fewer but identical) It is of course immediate that for a set of n characters the number of permutations of them taken m at a time is n^m

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Mark Boonie
Greetings, Mr. Gilmore, Apparently I fail to understand some aspect of your claim regarding the remainders when 36 is used as a divisor. If I divide each of the numbers from 1 to n by 36, each of the values from 0 to 35 is encountered as a remainder as many times as all other values, provided n i

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Bill Fairchild
John, I understand prime numbers and also channel programming. What I don't understand is the mathematical basis for the CAUSE of the clustering around prime factors of a composite modulo. You have explained what happens but not why. I agree with Robin's statement that real data is not rando

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread John Gilmore
Those interested in the mathematics of hashing should, predictably, consult Knuth. The 2nd volume, Sorting and searching, of TACP, any edition, contains a section called Hash functions. On page 509 of the 1st edition there appears the summarizing text: Such considerations suggest that we choose M

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 11/2/2012 7:40 AM, Bill Fairchild wrote: Rather than belabor this issue any further, if you could post a link to some explanation of the mathematical proof why clustering occurs around prime factors of a composite modulo, I would love to read it and try to understand what is going on. IST

Re: captions: curosity, curiousity, etc., etc.

2012-11-02 Thread McKown, John
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Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2 November 2012 04:05, Martin Truebner wrote: > John, > >>> Dividing and taking the remainder to achieve a more-fewer mapping > is---by definition---division-method hashing; > > and I insist: the number of possible input values is 46656 and this is > the number of output values exact 46656 (not

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Martin Truebner
I still do not see how changing a numbering scheme from based on ten to a system based on thirty-six does create any clusters. -- Martin Pi_cap_CPU - all you ever need around MWLC/SCRT/CMT in z/VSE more at http://www.picapcpu.de

Re: Curosity Question

2012-11-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2012-11-02 15:01, Martin Truebner wrote: > I still do not see how changing a numbering scheme from based > on ten to a system based on thirty-six does create any clusters. > It doesn't. Robin has pretty much acknowledged that if the input data are uniform, a modulus hash will likewise be unifor