Re: Removal of transactional execution facility

2022-04-06 Thread Ngan, Robert (DXC Luxoft)
Hmmm, you mention "speculative execution". Maybe that make it vulnerable to meltdown/spectre type attacks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List On Behalf Of Dan Greiner Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 17:47 To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Removal of

Re: Removal of transactional execution facility

2022-04-06 Thread Dan Greiner
I was as surprised – no, make that shocked – to see that IBM announced the removal of transactional-execution (TX) and constrained-transactional-execution (CTX) facilities in some future Z system. During the development of the facility, it showed significant (incredible!) performance benefits

Re: Removal of transactional execution facility

2022-04-06 Thread Ngan, Robert (DXC Luxoft)
The dual path requirement put me off doing anything with it for a long time. I thought using it to follow suspect pointer chains instead of using ESPIE/ESTAE would be worth dual pathing the ESPIE/ESTAE code, but that is now moot. Robert -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler

Re: Removal of transactional execution facility

2022-04-06 Thread Mike Shaw
Maybe Dan Greiner can comment on why IBM went to the trouble to introduce this powerful facility and then pull it? ISVs who implemented code using the transactional execution facility might feel kinda "had" now... Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at

Removal of transactional execution facility

2022-04-06 Thread Ngan, Robert (DXC Luxoft)
In the Statement of general direction in the z16 announcement at: https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/1/897/ENUS122-001/index.html It says IBM will remove support for the transactional execution facility, I guess there's no point in attempting to exploit this

Re: z16 Announcement

2022-04-06 Thread Dan Greiner
Interesting look under the covers of the z16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDtaanCENbc For this video to have been made, it's obvious that it's not your father's IBM (marketing department) anymore.

Re: z16 Announcement

2022-04-06 Thread Ngan, Robert (DXC Luxoft)
Not much in the way of details, but information on new z16 instructions that might be of interest to members of this list: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=IBM-Z-Arch14-GCC Robert Ngan DXC Luxoft -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List On Behalf Of Dan