Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
The problem with tort "reform" is that all that's sure is that tort rules will change. There's no reason to think they'll change for the better. In fact, since (as you point out) the "reforms" will be written by lawyers, tort reform will most likely serve lawyers. The rest is a crapshoot, b

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Sergey Kuznetsov
Bret, I agree with you on every point. I would say that is the Evolution's major stopper, because small companies just afraid to develop anything, knowing that someone big can have some broad patent. All the Best! Sergey. Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On 2/21/07, *Sergey Kuznetsov* <[E

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On 2/21/07, Sergey Kuznetsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's easy! Dan Ravicher of Public Patent Foundation (pubpat.org) does that. In reality that only solves the minor half of the problem. The biggest thing america needs in this particular arena is tort reform. If the loser has to pay

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Sergey Kuznetsov
That's easy! Dan Ravicher of Public Patent Foundation (pubpat.org) does that. Here is his last email ( you can see the success stories on his web-site ): PUBPAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TESTIFIES BEFORE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON PATENT REFO

[asterisk-biz] For sale: Digium TDM400p with 1*FXO and 3* FXS

2007-02-21 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Hi, I'm selling my Digium TDM400p with 1*FXO and 3*FXS modules (also known as the TDM31B configuration). Current new price is 314,16 Euro (incl. VAT), I'm willing to part from it for a bit less. If you're interested, please e-mail me. I'm located in the Netherlands and will be attending the FOSD

[asterisk-biz] Aastra 9133i for sale

2007-02-21 Thread shadowym
Anyone interested in my Aastra 9133i SIP phone? $135US +shipping from Canada. Like new with all original packaging. I only used it for testing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:25 A

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Tim Booth
Trevor G. Hammonds wrote: Brian, Do you have the referenced patent numbers? The USA Today article did not mention the, and a VYER cursory search did not reveal any more information. Sincerely, Trevor Hammonds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Brian Fertig
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fn etahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=Verizon&FIELD1=&co1=AND& TERM2=&FIELD2=&d=PTXT This is where I read up on some of what I thought could be the patents they were talking about in the article. -- ..

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Totaro
Steve Totaro wrote: Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote: Did anyone really think this was going to last? The US patent system is so screwed up that they will issue patents for anything. Common sense and logic are not in their vocabulary. There is one and only one way the big corporations can fight o

RE: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Trevor G. Hammonds
Brian, Do you have the referenced patent numbers? The USA Today article did not mention the, and a VYER cursory search did not reveal any more information. Sincerely, Trevor Hammonds > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > [

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Beckman
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Paul wrote: The US needs some fresh legislation related to the patent system. Perhaps some lower cost ways to challenge bogus patents long before you get sued would help. Right now it looks like the only way to deal with them is to wait until the threats and bullying get sta

RE: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Senad Jordanovic
A "gateway interface device"?!?! Isn't that like patenting a way to "heat your home", or a way to "put on shoes by tieing laces"? I don't know what this "Gateway interface device" specifically says, but couldn't that technically make a modem illegal, or even a phone? Can anyone shed light on th

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Totaro
Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote: Did anyone really think this was going to last? The US patent system is so screwed up that they will issue patents for anything. Common sense and logic are not in their vocabulary. There is one and only one way the big corporations can fight open source in the US,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Paul
Maybe they granted the patents for common sense and vocabulary to amazon, verizon or j2/efax? Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote: > Did anyone really think this was going to last? > > The US patent system is so screwed up that they will issue patents for > anything. Common sense and logic are not in t

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Lacy Moore - Aspendora
Did anyone really think this was going to last? The US patent system is so screwed up that they will issue patents for anything. Common sense and logic are not in their vocabulary. There is one and only one way the big corporations can fight open source in the US, and I'd say they're using it t

Re: [asterisk-biz] Montreal 514 DIDs Available.

2007-02-21 Thread pcman
Yes I found what I need... and this need is http://www.unlimitel.ca On 2/20/07, Mike Lynchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yes our products are offline.. we are updating our inventory... taking the same logic back at you .. http://ilpdb.com/index.php?f=contact Remove the contact link from

Re: [asterisk-biz] Montreal 514 DIDs Available.

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Beckman
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Mike Lynchfield wrote: yes our products are offline.. we are updating our inventory... taking the same logic back at you .. http://ilpdb.com/index.php?f=contact Remove the contact link from your site if you dont have a contact method.. AHAHAH.. we even now ? Thanks fo

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Matt
A "gateway interface device"?!?! Isn't that like patenting a way to "heat your home", or a way to "put on shoes by tieing laces"? I don't know what this "Gateway interface device" specifically says, but couldn't that technically make a modem illegal, or even a phone? Can anyone shed light on t

[asterisk-biz] Looking For

2007-02-21 Thread David Vance
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RE: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
The judge in the pretrial hearings disagrees with your finding that the claims are too broad: [from http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/money/20070220/vonage.art.htm ]: > In total, Verizon has 48 different "terms," or patent claims in > dispute. In pretrial rulings, Verizon has succeeded

Re: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Paul
The US needs some fresh legislation related to the patent system. Perhaps some lower cost ways to challenge bogus patents long before you get sued would help. Right now it looks like the only way to deal with them is to wait until the threats and bullying get started. Brian Fertig wrote: >I read

Re: [asterisk-biz] View from a side competitor

2007-02-21 Thread Bill Michaelson
Mike Lynchfield wrote: UPDATES is a way to FIX things on a earlier version and SHOULD BE FREE one who make you pay for updates is a SCAM/THIEF I share this sentiment only to a very limited extent. Nobody should be expected to bear responsibility for an infinitely long liability tail. A warr

Re: [asterisk-biz] View from a side competitor

2007-02-21 Thread Bill Michaelson
Neat - looks like you've started defining some headings for a feature x provider comparison matrix. I like where this thread is going. Derrick Moennick wrote: Craig, Like support? Continual upgrades to the software package, the ability to upgrade to the next package for the difference in price

RE: [asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Brian Fertig
I read up on Verizon's claims against Vonage and found their patents are in no way shape or form precise enough to hold any weight. They are so broad that Asterisk could never work around the patens of Verizon but just remove them instead. -- ::. Brian Fertig Sr. Data &

[asterisk-biz] Verizon v Vonage

2007-02-21 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
Verizon is suing Vonage for violating 48 patent claims, to shut Vonage down: http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/money/20070220/vonage.art.htm . If Verizon is granted a monopoly on operating under those patents, what other VoIP services will have to shut down? Is Asterisk either immune, or

Re: [asterisk-biz] Re: Setting Caller-ID / Point Codes

2007-02-21 Thread Matt
The CLEC is a CLEC in Central Pennsylvania called CTSi. They have had no issues setting the Point Code, there are just some questions on the LOA. Nicky.. remember just because you set a name on Asterisk it won't go out the CLECs trunks, you have to contract with a provider to provide the CN

RE: [asterisk-biz] Re: Setting Caller-ID / Point Codes

2007-02-21 Thread Nicky Smith
Hey Matt, You have done something that I have been trying to do for many months. My CLEC will not allow us to pass Caller-ID-Name. Will you share with us the CLEC are you using? Nicky Smith From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, February

[asterisk-biz] Re: Setting Caller-ID / Point Codes

2007-02-21 Thread Matt
Bump. Nothing heard. On 2/19/07, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings folks, I'm currently dealing with a company to let me set Caller-ID-Name on outbound calls. So far pretty happy with their services. The basic service works like this: * CLEC sets Point Code to point to this company