Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Sam Tam
I do perfectly agree with China yes... Anyway I am just trying to burn some times by stirring up things. Sam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:39 PM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Sam Tam wrote: > Hey what wrong with Hong Kong. I don't believe you will have a lot of ports > scan or dictionary attacks from Hong Kong. China yes may be. But Come on.. > You will be more likely to get port scan from a network like ev1 which from > Hong Kong. Or at least may be 5 times as much. >

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Sam Tam
Hey what wrong with Hong Kong. I don't believe you will have a lot of ports scan or dictionary attacks from Hong Kong. China yes may be. But Come on.. You will be more likely to get port scan from a network like ev1 which from Hong Kong. Or at least may be 5 times as much. If you read the statisti

Re: [asterisk-biz] Unlimited DID

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Joe Antkowiak wrote: > I'm sure your company's current service is excellent. Just recommending a > thorough look at all of the potential issues if you're planning to offer such > an > "unlimited" service. Too many companies have failed because they didn't. I'm still going to have to take an

Re: [asterisk-biz] Unlimited DID

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > (or perhaps they are doing it to "reverse > wardial" where they spoof caller id to get CNAM results passed along but > never answer so it costs them nothing - something that some providers > bundle in - hint broadvoice *will* cancel you after a day or two of > doi

Re: [asterisk-biz] Unlimited DID

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Steve Totaro wrote: > Junction certainly is not the cheapest by far but having the > limitations explained to me, showed me that they were not trying to BS > me and knew what they were doing. Had they just said, yeah, it is > totally unlimited, I would have looked elsewhere. > > Knowing that the

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Nitzan Kon wrote: > http://businessvoip.tmcnet.com/topics/trends/articles/36429-voip-service-providers-others-lobby-fcc-inter-carrier.htm > > Assuming this passes - how would it affect the viability of such > services that depend on Inter-carrier Compensation? from what I > understand it'll pret

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Now, of course, if they're using misconfigured HTTP proxies based elsewhere in the world, that won't help you much. But if the hosts are still in that part of the world, it'll help cut down. Besides, you can still block SIP. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.co

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Alex Balashov
Maybe an overly shotgun approach for your tastes, but I personally firewall off all IP blocks from APNIC (the Asian-Pacific RIR) delegated to the southeast Asian countries (China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Hong Kong -- yes, I know it is not a country). Over 90% of my port scans, my dicti

[asterisk-biz] Help with IVR script

2008-08-18 Thread VIP Carrier
I need help with IVR script for Accounting company... can some one guide me in to right direction... Thanks VIP. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: htt

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alan Lougher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Give fraudlabs.com a try, it will give you a score based on > address, phone, bank phone, ip, ip country and then you can > set the threshold of when to manually approve or check the > transaction. They give you 90 free checks per mont

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Jeremy
I must agree with Steve and emist. While it could be possible that they have access to a network which is allowing them to spoof, or fake, any ip they wish. I think its more probable that these are compromised hosts, and the credit card data was taken from those computers. Can you provide packet ca

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread emist
I agree with Steve theres definitely the possibility of them using compromised systems, in which case it will be almost impossible to know in advance. If I recall correctly there used to be decent money to be made in this kind of business as well as in the renting of botnets to perform DDOS a whil

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Alan Lougher
Give fraudlabs.com a try, it will give you a score based on address, phone, bank phone, ip, ip country and then you can set the threshold of when to manually approve or check the transaction. They give you 90 free checks per month. Sent from my wireless handheld. On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:56 PM,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Totaro
I think it is less of known proxy, sysadmin, or misconfigured machine issue and more of a compromised system, zombie issue. I know last Tuesday was a HUGE M$ "patch Tuesday", not sure if any of those exploits could be used for proxy or port redirection but if not directly, they can probably be use

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Nitzan Kon
Thanks for the reply Igor. :) I googled a little bit, and I don't see keeping lists as a viable option. There is basically an infinite number of proxies out there so it is impossible to block them all until after the fact. :( What I am going to try, is write something inside my payment modules to

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread emist
Hello Nitzan, As to how they do it its not very hard to proxy http requests(or any other request for that matter). There are plenty of publicly available proxy servers as well as servers that aren't intended to be used by the public but due to the sys-admin's misconfiguration they are open to the

[asterisk-biz] Fraud. (here we go again)

2008-08-18 Thread Nitzan Kon
Hi list! :) We've got hit with a guy in Vietnam who's creating accounts with stolen American credit cards. Usually they are really easy to stop, but this guy is matching the IP address to the credit card address. Anyone knows how they do that? I am 100% sure they are located in Vietnam as their S

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread BJ Weschke
Nitzan Kon wrote: > http://businessvoip.tmcnet.com/topics/trends/articles/36429-voip-service-providers-others-lobby-fcc-inter-carrier.htm > > Assuming this passes - how would it affect the viability of such > services that depend on Inter-carrier Compensation? from what I > understand it'll pretty

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Nitzan Kon
http://businessvoip.tmcnet.com/topics/trends/articles/36429-voip-service-providers-others-lobby-fcc-inter-carrier.htm Assuming this passes - how would it affect the viability of such services that depend on Inter-carrier Compensation? from what I understand it'll pretty much erase them overnight,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jon Weisman
ahhh its all coming back to me... I need more vitamins. - Original Message - From: "Dean Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services > Jon, > > They didn

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Christiansen
Hello All, I represent a facilities based CLEC in Ohio. We offer revenue sharing opportunities. We currently termination about 15 million minutes a month for conference servers and other similar services. Shoot me an email if you are interested in the details. Michael Christiansen -

Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for a good stateside VoIP provider...

2008-08-18 Thread Michael S. White
Thanks for the info- Assuming testing goes well we are planning to run with Teliax Kind regards, MW --> http://www.e4strategies.com --- On Sun, Monday, August 18, 2008 11:23 AM, randulo Wrote: >Hi Michael, >My favorites out of over a dozen tested in a period of three years >(with pay as you)

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Dean Collins
Jon, They didn't get sued, the carriers tried to withhold payments, got overturned and the carriers went back to having to pay money to the B party. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Weisman Sent: Monday, 18 August 200

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jay Kordic
I do have a carrier/partner located in California that pays compensation on DID's.Please contact me if interested. Regards,   Jay Kordic The Horizon Group Wholesale VOIP/TDM routes/Wholesale IP Bandwidth 1-951-744-9220 1-515-322-0273(fax) MSN IM- [EMAIL PROTECTED] August 2008 specials   1-Califor

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jon Weisman
Michael, I think there used to be or still is a company called freeconferencecall.com or something of that nature. They did this for a while and I understand got the crap sued out of them. Not really sure what happened but I know the big guys AT&T & Qwest went after them and claimed that they w

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 01:00:24PM -0400, Michael Trank wrote: > I think the money is made by locating the free conference services in > the networks of some > of the small rural telephone companies and cooperatives that are able to > charge the big carriers > on the order of several cents per m

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jared Geiger
They partner with a local CLEC and split the profit from the fees they get from charging the Long Distance providers. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Steve Totaro < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how anyone can make a buck in this space, there are several > companies that do no adverts an

Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for a good stateside VoIP provider...

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Totaro
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:23 AM, randulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Michael S. White > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We've been looking @ Vitelity and Teliax- can't seem to get teliax working >> properly with our * boxes so they are probably out. > > Hi Michael,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread randulo
Even Talkshoe.com does free conferences including recording. They do not use asterisk for this, but a commercial hardware conference bridge. The conferences create an RSS feed as well and an archive recordings page. Conferences are not secure-private but they can be unlisted, meaning they don't app

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Michael Trank
I think the money is made by locating the free conference services in the networks of some of the small rural telephone companies and cooperatives that are able to charge the big carriers on the order of several cents per minute for terminating calls to numbers in their space. These small carr

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Totaro
I wonder how anyone can make a buck in this space, there are several companies that do no adverts and do not charge a dime, plus they even do recording. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/faq.asp is one. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Al Lougher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for a good stateside VoIP provider...

2008-08-18 Thread randulo
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Michael S. White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've been looking @ Vitelity and Teliax- can't seem to get teliax working > properly with our * boxes so they are probably out. Hi Michael, My favorites out of over a dozen tested in a period of three years (with pay

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jon Weisman
Dean, Last time i checked this was a biz list where people are free to discuss business opportunities, insight, opinions and advice. I'm just trying to gain some general knowledge regarding conference calling and have no interest in competing with him, this isn't even for the US market. But if

Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for a good stateside VoIP provider...

2008-08-18 Thread Michael S. White
Teliax is now working like a charm... We'll be testing it all day on the outbound. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SIP Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:16 AM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asteri

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Dean Collins
I'm sure if you offer to pay a small consulting fee to David he would be happy to tell you how to set up in competition with him. Lol - I know the answer but I don't do this kind of consulting. Needless to say you should be prepared to pay for 2 or 3 hours of consulting for him to help r

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Jon Weisman
I was actually wondering the same thing. - Original Message - From: Al Lougher To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services Dave - I'm intri

Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for a good stateside VoIP provider...

2008-08-18 Thread SIP
Peter Beckman wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Barton Fisher wrote: > >> Can you tell me more about Verizon pricing? How do they compare to >> Vitelity? I can't seemed to find pricing on web site > > I'm not sure who posted the last two messages, but he doesn't seem to > have a > lot of details, n

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread Al Lougher
Dave - I'm intrigued to know how your advertising covers the costs of the calls. We offer free messaging with advertising, but the ads barely cover the cost of a one minute call. How do you make any money on say a 30 minute conference call with a handful of connected parties? Alan www.group2c

Re: [asterisk-biz] Conference Services

2008-08-18 Thread | dave cantera |
jon, I offer a free conference calling service, I decide what the number inbound is and I play my advertisement on the inbound calls.  then I give them a conference code and a conference PIN. if they want a custom or local DID, then they pay for that plus a minute charge of $0.03 per inbound le