Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork

2005-10-10 Thread Paul
You don't owe me an apology at all for simply quoting Mr. M's usage. The only reason I posted this was to support your suggestion that he doesn't care what he says or who he offends. That will work fine in a community of one. In this day and age I do have some special words reserved for men wh

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork

2005-10-10 Thread Bill Michaelson
Indeed, in this day and age, it is generally accepted that there is really no shame associated with such a status, thankfully. It is unfortunate that some phrases of controversial lineage persist in our language, thus causing offense - often unintentionally. The fact that such words have take

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork

2005-10-10 Thread Paul
And I pointed out that I am actually a bastard child. It was not my choice. I was born that way. The word should not be used as an intended insult. I didn't notice any apology to me or my late mother posted in response. I mean, I don't call people "jeremys" or "canadians" in order to sound ins

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork

2005-10-10 Thread Bill Michaelson
When a writer stated that he was put off by the tone off your statement in which you called some folks "bastards", and you replied that you really don't care whether he did business with "us" (and I can only assume you were referring to your own business) - were you working "for" or "against" A

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Sergey Kuznetsov
Peter Nixon wrote: H... Another piece of software that works with Digium's hardware but doesn't require any of Digium's resources to maintain, with the added advantage of having more features than the software that Digium already gives away for free as a loss leader to sell their hardware..

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread stotaro
> > > Matt Riddell wrote: > > > >I for one have built my business around a product Digium has given me. > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > >not about to turn around and stab them in the back. > > > > > > RIGHT ON! None of these bastards would have the power of Asterisk to > > > fork if Digium hadn't ga

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread snacktime
>> I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Jeremy here. :) (no > offense intended, Jeremy.) I don't want to get into legalities or dive into> this flame war, but I think that Digium has done the world a great service> by developing, funding, and releasing Asterisk. I think they deser

RE: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Joshua Colp - Asterlink
My name is Joshua Colp, or file on IRC, I am part of the OpenPBX project - but don't judge me as the enemy because of that. I have already talked with Mark, Russell, and others about my stand on both OpenPBX and Asterisk. I still treat them as friends even during these rocky times. I'm not going to

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Jeremy McNamara
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all parts to OpenPBX were disclaimed and available to Digium, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Their only real reason for forking is because Digium will not or could not accept their contributions. Jeremy McNamara __

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork

2005-10-09 Thread Jeremy McNamara
Peter Nixon wrote: Can someone please explain how this "works against Digium"?? It is not Digium, its Asterisk that you will be working against. You are segmenting the limited amount of resources that are available to the Asterisk development effort. This general topic was well hashed

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread alex
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Peter Nixon wrote: > H... Another piece of software that works with Digium's hardware but > doesn't require any of Digium's resources to maintain, with the added > advantage of having more features than the software that Digium already > gives away for free as a loss leader

[Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Peter Nixon
On Sunday 09 October 2005 20:17, Reid Forrest wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy McNamara > > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:52 AM > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > > Subje

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Matt Riddell
Peter Nixon wrote: > I am not saying that I or anyone else involved is trying to damage Digium > (The > results of our efforts will be be more good GPL code which Digium is allowed > to re-incorporate into any of their products under the terms of the GPL) > but on what basis do you say that anyo

[Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Doug Meredith
Jeremy McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >That doesn't mean I could not fund the effort. After all how much >financial backing does this fork really have? You could only fund the effort if the IP holder wanted you to do so. In terms of financial backing, I would suspect that they don't have mu

[Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Peter Nixon
On Sunday 09 October 2005 16:03, Matt Riddell wrote: > Well, that's enough on the topic for me... > > This is the Asterisk List and that product has ceased to be Asterisk. I > don't see why Digium (who gave us all Asterisk) should have to pay for > advertising for a group of people who sign contra

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Jeremy McNamara
Doug Meredith wrote: I won't delve into the subtleties of the licensing, but I am curious if you have standing to take action for violations of the licenses of these products. As I understand it, only the intellectual property holder can do so, not a third party. That doesn't mean I could

Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Paul
Doug Meredith wrote: Jeremy McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Furthermore, I better not see any H.323, G.729 or OpenSSL support in this forked version or I will make it personal and sick the legal types after whomever is responsible. I won't delve into the subtleties of the licens

[Asterisk-biz] Re: Asterisk Ffork - OpenPBX.org

2005-10-09 Thread Doug Meredith
Jeremy McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Furthermore, I better not see any H.323, G.729 or OpenSSL support in >this forked version or I will make it personal and sick the legal types >after whomever is responsible. I won't delve into the subtleties of the licensing, but I am curious if you h