Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang bkl...@mojolingo.com wrote: On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Ben Klang
Il giorno Oct 30, 2014, alle ore 4:57 PM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com ha scritto: On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang bkl...@mojolingo.com mailto:bkl...@mojolingo.com wrote: On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Brad Watkins
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang bkl...@mojolingo.com wrote: On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: What is the alternative to the

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Daniel McFarlane
Hi, I've been reading recent emails on the developers list and just wanted to add my 2 cents: While the AGI approach was never useful for my needs, I recently finished 2 years of almost straight development time to develop a full-fledged call answering solution and I would be VERY annoyed

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 28, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Ben Langfeld b...@langfeld.me wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten = s,1, what is the alternative? Remote

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Ben Klang
On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca mailto:derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten = s,1, what is the alternative?

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Jared Smith
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: None of said “discussion” ever happened on the lists nor was the broader Asterisk community involved as far as I can determine. A parallel “discussion” was started by a shill at AstiCon this year to begin to get the

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Paul Albrecht
Not asking for unqualified promises about the future of Asterisk. Simply asking for an acknowledgment of the obvious, that is, Asterisk without the dial plan wouldn’t be Asterisk. The fact that one is not forthcoming raises a red flag with respect to the future of Asterisk. Furthermore, adding

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Phil Mickelson
So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided to take the other side. I have seen the progression of Asterisk for the last 5+ years. I was at Astricon when it was held in the DC area and the last one in Atlanta (I wish you'd go back there instead of Vegas!). I tried

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Russell Bryant
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Phil Mickelson p...@cbasoftware.com wrote: So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided to take the other side. I have seen the progression of Asterisk for the last 5+ years. I was at Astricon when it was held in the DC area and

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Langfeld
On 28 October 2014 14:44, Russell Bryant russ...@russellbryant.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Phil Mickelson p...@cbasoftware.com wrote: So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided to take the other side. I have seen the progression of Asterisk

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Derek Andrew
What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten = s,1, what is the alternative? -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com --

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Langfeld
On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew derek.and...@usask.ca wrote: What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten = s,1, what is the alternative? Remote applications based on APIs like ARI. This is the start of the discussion,

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Phil Mickelson
I can't speak for anyone else, but my vision would be for an easy to use application that would allow for all the options you now have and even more. The major difference is that you wouldn't have to try to figure out all the complexities of the current dialplan. For example, you could have a

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Albrecht
The reason the dial plan can never be deprecated is because Asterisk wouldn’t be Asterisk without the dial plan. Sure, you could re-engineer Asterisk so that it would be “better for a small select group of users at the expense of the majority of community that use the product as designed for

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: The reason the dial plan can never be deprecated is because Asterisk wouldn’t be Asterisk without the dial plan. Sure, you could re-engineer Asterisk so that it would be “better for a small select group of users at

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-24 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Larsen kevin.lar...@pioneerballoon.com wrote: From: Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com Seems like now is as good a time as any to raise these issues, in fact, sooner is better than later because once developers start down a path it’s very difficult

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: When Matt says deprecating the dial plan would be difficult and would take a long time it seems to me he’s being evasive and misleading. He doesn’t say it’s never going to happen and he doesn’t share whatever he thinks

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Jordan mjor...@digium.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Matthew Jordan mjor...@digium.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Larsen kevin.lar...@pioneerballoon.com wrote: From: Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com Here’s a link to the minutes: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/ display/AST/AstriDevCon+2014 It has you saying: Leif: we're in a transition, moving from dialplan

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:55 AM, Olle E Johansson o...@edvina.net wrote: It is critical that a group of developers ask themself questions along these lines - what if??? - What if we removed AGi and AMI? - What if we made a pluggable PBX? - What if we restarted working on a SIP channel? -

[asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Albrecht
Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial plan model to external control. --

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Joshua Colp
Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial plan model to external control. It was something Ben Klang brought

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp jc...@digium.com wrote: Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Matthew Jordan
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp jc...@digium.com wrote: Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread BJ Weschke
On 10/22/14, 12:14 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp jc...@digium.com wrote: Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Belanger
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Paul Albrecht palbre...@glccom.com wrote: The suggestion that Asterisk should consider deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk.” It doesn’t merit discussion and shouldn’t be on the agenda in the first place. It’s completely impractical and can never happen.