Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Brad Watkins
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > > On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang wrote: > > > On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: > > On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew wrote: >> >> What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting >> rid

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Ben Klang
Il giorno Oct 30, 2014, alle ore 4:57 PM, Paul Albrecht ha scritto: > > On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang > wrote: > >> >>> On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew >>> > wrote:

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ben Klang wrote: > >> On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: >>> On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew wrote: >>> What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting >>> rid of the statements like: >>> exten => s,1, >>> >>> what is t

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Jared Smith
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > None of said “discussion” ever happened on the lists nor was the broader > Asterisk community involved as far as I can determine. A parallel > “discussion” was started by a shill at AstiCon this year to begin to get > the “vast unwashed” on

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Ben Klang
> On 10/28/2014 06:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: >> On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew > > wrote: >> What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting >> rid of the statements like: >> exten => s,1, >> >> what is the alternative? >> >> R

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 28, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Ben Langfeld wrote: > On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew wrote: > What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting > rid of the statements like: > exten => s,1, > > what is the alternative? > > Remote applications based on APIs lik

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-29 Thread Daniel McFarlane
Hi, I've been reading recent emails on the developers list and just wanted to add my 2 cents: While the AGI approach was never useful for my needs, I recently finished 2 years of almost straight development time to develop a full-fledged call answering solution and I would be VERY annoyed (t

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Phil Mickelson
I can't speak for anyone else, but my vision would be for an easy to use application that would allow for all the options you now have and even more. The major difference is that you wouldn't have to try to figure out all the complexities of the current dialplan. For example, you could have a dra

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Langfeld
On 28 October 2014 19:47, Derek Andrew wrote: > What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about > getting rid of the statements like: > exten => s,1, > > what is the alternative? > Remote applications based on APIs like ARI. This is the start of the discussion, and please rem

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Derek Andrew
What is the alternative to the dial plan? Is everyone talking about getting rid of the statements like: exten => s,1, what is the alternative? -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-d

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Langfeld
On 28 October 2014 14:44, Russell Bryant wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Phil Mickelson > wrote: > >> So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided >> to take the other side. >> >> I have seen the progression of Asterisk for the last 5+ years. I was at >>

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Russell Bryant
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Phil Mickelson wrote: > So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided > to take the other side. > > I have seen the progression of Asterisk for the last 5+ years. I was at > Astricon when it was held in the DC area and the last one in

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Phil Mickelson
So. After all this I'm tired of hearing the same argument. I've decided to take the other side. I have seen the progression of Asterisk for the last 5+ years. I was at Astricon when it was held in the DC area and the last one in Atlanta (I wish you'd go back there instead of Vegas!). I tried t

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-28 Thread Paul Albrecht
Not asking for unqualified promises about the future of Asterisk. Simply asking for an acknowledgment of the obvious, that is, Asterisk without the dial plan wouldn’t be Asterisk. The fact that one is not forthcoming raises a red flag with respect to the future of Asterisk. Furthermore, adding

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > The reason the dial plan can never be deprecated is because Asterisk wouldn’t > be Asterisk without the dial plan. Sure, you could re-engineer Asterisk so > that it would be “better" for a small select group of users at the expense of >

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Albrecht
The reason the dial plan can never be deprecated is because Asterisk wouldn’t be Asterisk without the dial plan. Sure, you could re-engineer Asterisk so that it would be “better" for a small select group of users at the expense of the majority of community that use the product as designed for t

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-24 Thread Muteesa Fred
- Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang) On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > When Matt says deprecating the dial plan would be difficult and would > take a long time it seems to me he’s bein

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > When Matt says deprecating the dial plan would be difficult and would take a > long time it seems to me he’s being evasive and misleading. He doesn’t say > it’s never going to happen and he doesn’t share whatever he thinks the > Asterisk v

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-24 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Kevin Larsen wrote: > > From: Paul Albrecht > > > Seems like now is as good a time as any to raise these issues, in > > fact, sooner is better than later because once developers start down > > a path it’s very difficult to get them change their minds no matter

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:55 AM, Olle E Johansson wrote: > It is critical that a group of developers ask themself questions along > these lines - "what if???" > > - What if we removed AGi and AMI? > - What if we made a pluggable PBX? > - What if we restarted working on a SIP channel? > - What if w

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014:Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Larsen wrote: > > From: Paul Albrecht > > Here’s a link to the minutes: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/ > > display/AST/AstriDevCon+2014 > > > > It has you saying: Leif: we're in a transition, moving from dialplan > > model to external control model. Pro

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Jordan wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Matthew Jordan wrote: > >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht wrote: >> >> On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp wrote: >>

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Belanger
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > The suggestion that Asterisk should consider deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy > talk.” It doesn’t merit discussion and shouldn’t be on the agenda in the > first place. It’s completely impractical and can never happen. Moreover, Leif > seems t

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread BJ Weschke
On 10/22/14, 12:14 PM, Paul Albrecht wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp wrote: Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in tra

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Matthew Jordan
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp wrote: > > > Paul Albrecht wrote: > >> Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk > >> community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking > >> about whe

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI(Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Albrecht
On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp wrote: > Paul Albrecht wrote: >> Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk >> community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking >> about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial >> plan mo

Re: [asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Joshua Colp
Paul Albrecht wrote: Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial plan model to external control. It was something Ben Klang brought up

[asterisk-dev] AstriDevCon 2014: Agenda item Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Albrecht
Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial plan model to external control. -- _