Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Ken Alker
--On Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I thought you were wrong here, as I have Vista 390 at home and I was sure that wasn't the case. Lo and behold one of the biggest reasons for my wanting to go ADSI over IP has been shattered. [...] May

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 03:00, Ken Alker wrote: --On Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I thought you were wrong here, as I have Vista 390 at home and I was sure that wasn't the case. Lo and behold one of the biggest reasons for my

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 03:00, Ken Alker wrote: --On Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I thought you were wrong here, as I have Vista 390 at home and I was sure that wasn't the case. Lo and behold one of the biggest reasons for my

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Justin Huff
It made it to the US. The problem was cost. No one is willing to spend that much money for a phone USWest/Qwest sells ADSI (and a phone) as part of their multi-line 'home receptionist' service, I believe. --Justin ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Ken Alker
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:54 AM -0600 Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 03:00, Ken Alker wrote: --On Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I thought you were wrong here, as I have Vista 390 at home and I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-21 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 14:10, Ken Alker wrote: --On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:54 AM -0600 Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 03:00, Ken Alker wrote: --On Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread TC
Aastra will have a production PT480i SIP phone in March for ~US180-$200. Same phone as ADSI model just SIP, but has 4 extra buttons for virtual lines. Got a beta SIP model under test. Designed for SIP v1 v2. * is one of PBX used for testing by development, so should be * friendly when

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread PJ
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Gomillion wrote: Andrew wrote: First, what's wrong with PoE? Is it any worse than installing tons of channel banks? Can anybody recommend a good PoE product? I am interested in getting that implemented. PJ -- Wisdom is not a product of schooling but the

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone (and proper implementation thereof)

2004-01-20 Thread Rich Adamson
Probably because it's well known that these setups are prone to failure of either the PC's connection, the phone's connection, or degredation of one/both. It also breaks switch envirenments where spanning-tree portfast is enabled (not as big of a deal if the deployment is in concert

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread Walt Reed
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:08:33PM -0800, PJ said: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Gomillion wrote: Andrew wrote: First, what's wrong with PoE? Is it any worse than installing tons of channel banks? Can anybody recommend a good PoE product? I am interested in getting that implemented.

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone (and proper implementation thereof)

2004-01-20 Thread daryl
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Burkholder Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone (and proper implementation thereof) [...] I'm wondering

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread C. Maj
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Ted Cabeen waxed: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread daryl
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PJ Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Gomillion wrote: Andrew wrote: First

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread Ken Alker
--On Monday, January 19, 2004 11:01 AM -0500 Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP IP phones are nice, I'll give them that... but they are also a pain in the ass if you're upgrading/retrofiting an office, and they also don't play well together -- you're more or less stuck using one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
Do ADSI phones need wall-warts, or can they drive themselves from the line power? You can get dial tone on ADSI w/o a wall-wart, just like a regular analog phone. But you need a wall-wart to give you power for the screen and ADSI functionality, at least on the Nortel Vista 350. Since

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
If I read above correctly, you imply that ADSI phones don't need wall-warts (A/C power transformers that plug into the wall). I'd assume that based on the sizable LCD screen, potential back-lighting, microcontroller(s), etc, that an ADSI phone would have to have a wall-wart, especially if

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-20 Thread daryl
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Critchfield Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone [...] You need to be more specificPoE isn't all standard

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
Pretty much no. The ADSI specification was crippled from the start to specificly not compete with PBX offerings. It has one advantage of (very limited) programmability, but a phone like the SNOM has an open-source core. It also has the dubious value of being interchangeable with a regular

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Dustin Goodwin
Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the PC to daisy chain off the IP phone. - Dustin - I'm looking at ADSI phones simply because

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Andrew Thompson
- Original Message - From: Dustin Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone I'm looking at ADSI phones simply because I don't have to re-tool my entire building; I can use

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the PC to daisy chain off the IP phone. To quote myself: True, but I don't have to retool

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Brian West
It was my impression that these phones had 10MB ehternet connections and not 100MB. Not that most of us would notice the difference in browsing the net, it does defeat the purpose of having 100MB switches. (I believe I also saw people on this list talking about strange things happening when

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
quote who=Andrew Thompson It was my impression that these phones had 10MB ehternet connections and not 100MB. Not that most of us would notice the difference in browsing the net, it does defeat the purpose of having 100MB switches. (I believe I also saw people on this list talking about

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Dustin Goodwin
AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone I'm looking at ADSI phones simply because I don't have to re-tool my entire building; I can use the existing phone network and (I think) get all the functionality I need with the (far) cheaper ADSI phones. Why wouldn't you just use your

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread daryl
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Goodwin Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Tim Thompson
(806) 722-2227 -Original Message- From: Andrew Kohlsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread David Gomillion
Andrew wrote: Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the PC to daisy chain off the IP phone. To quote myself: True, but I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Ted Cabeen
Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the PC to daisy chain off the IP phone. To

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Chris Albertson
: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Goodwin Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet

RE: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone (and proper implementation thereof)

2004-01-19 Thread Ray Burkholder
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet infrastructure putting the IP phones inline between the wall jack and the PC? There are a number of IP phones that have builtin switch/hub that allows the PC to daisy chain off the IP phone. Probably

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Master Abi
Engineer http://www.amatechtel.com (806) 722-2227 -Original Message- From: Andrew Kohlsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone Why wouldn't you just use your existing Ethernet

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-19 Thread Dustin Goodwin
problems. What did you experience? - Dustin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Goodwin Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone Why

[Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-18 Thread Ken Alker
Assuming the price of an ADSI screen phone (say, Aastra 390) was the same as an IP screen phone (say, Cisco 7960) and someone was setting up an * server for their 20 employees (each of whom would have either an ADSI or IP phone on their desk), would there be advantages to using the ADSI phones

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-18 Thread Ulexus
On Sunday, 18 January, 2004 02:04, Ken Alker wrote: Assuming the price of an ADSI screen phone (say, Aastra 390) was the same as an IP screen phone (say, Cisco 7960) and someone was setting up an * server for their 20 employees (each of whom would have either an ADSI or IP phone on their

Re: [Asterisk-Users] ADSI phone vs. IP phone

2004-01-18 Thread C. Maj
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Ulexus waxed: On Sunday, 18 January, 2004 02:04, Ken Alker wrote: Assuming the price of an ADSI screen phone (say, Aastra 390) was the same as an IP screen phone (say, Cisco 7960) and someone was setting up an * server for their 20 employees (each of whom would have