[Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian West
I wonder if anyone else on the list has expressed any intrest in having some type of native support for encryption for IAX? I hear IPSEC adds some latency... I would like to side step that for something simpler to setup. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing l

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian J. Schrock
I second that, and I think I remember hearing Mark talking about it too. But. What type of encryption can you do that does not introduce latency? That said, I would like it to support hardware encryption cards. I have done work with FreeS/WAN and it works, and yes it adds about 30-100ms of

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread PJ Welsh
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:26:06PM -0500, Brian J. Schrock wrote: > > I second that, and I think I remember hearing Mark talking about it too. But. > > What type of encryption can you do that does not introduce latency? > > That said, I would like it to support hardware encryption cards. >

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian J. Schrock
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:22:43PM -0600, PJ Welsh wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:26:06PM -0500, Brian J. Schrock wrote: > > > > I second that, and I think I remember hearing Mark talking about it too. But. > > > > What type of encryption can you do that does not introduce latency? > >

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian D Heaton
Brian, Mark was talking about it with JustinT at PN7. I caught the end of the conversation. The question I asked then (and still ask now) is, (for the IAX/IAX2 case at least) why load down the PBX with PBX-to-PBX encryption? If you look at the way most large organizations (mil

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Chris Albertson
The below is all correct. In fact the US DoD has very restrictive and conservative rules about how some types of data are handled. Basically if it leaves a trusted area it will so through a hardware crypto box. Some of the rules are to ensure that data are protectied even if the hardware is badly

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian D Heaton
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 20:25, Chris Albertson wrote: > The below is all correct. In fact the US DoD has very restrictive > and conservative rules about how some types of data are handled. > Basically if it leaves a trusted area it will so through a hardware > crypto box. > Some of the rules are to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian West
I agree with everyone's comments. I'm talking something a bit more light weight to keep the casual network snooping from taking place. IPSEC requires full control of both ends Not an ideal solution in some cases. It was just a thought to see who all was intrested. bkw __

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Chris Albertson
> > > I'd really like to see this. Maybe each user could have a little > black > plastic key they could insert and turn to go secure. The PGP documentation suggestes that users cary their key in a floppy and never copy the key file to the hard disk. So your "little black plastic key" is a flopp

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian D Heaton
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 21:54, Chris Albertson wrote: > The PGP documentation suggestes that users cary their key > in a floppy and never copy the key file to the hard disk. > So your "little black plastic key" is a floppy with the write > tab punched out. Actually I use a USB pen drive. Its a lot

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-10 Thread Brian D Heaton
Brian, Its definitely something that needs some more thought. I agree with Chris's points on client side implementation. I'm hoping Mark will chime in here about what (if any) further thoughts he has about loading some type of encryption into the IAXy. THX/BDH

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Philipp von Klitzing
Hi! > conversation. The question I asked then (and still ask now) is, (for > the IAX/IAX2 case at least) why load down the PBX with PBX-to-PBX > encryption? For bigger setups I agree with you, but consider this scenario: I am in a hotel or at a friend's place without my laptop. I download an

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> Its definitely something that needs some more thought. I agree with > Chris's points on client side implementation. I'm hoping Mark will > chime in here about what (if any) further thoughts he has about loading > some type of encryption into the IAXy. If you're looking for encryption eno

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Mark Spencer
> If you're looking for encryption enough to foil casual sniffers why not just > use something like DES1 or even straightforward and fast XOR encryption and > use a hash of the call ID, trunking messages and rekey with new values > every few seconds (let's say with a random sample of the unencrypte

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Jason A. Pattie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Albertson wrote: |>I'd really like to see this. Maybe each user could have a little |>black |>plastic key they could insert and turn to go secure. | | | The PGP documentation suggestes that users cary their key | in a floppy and never copy the ke

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Chris Albertson
Mark, What about using OpenSSL? It has the "right" lincense (BSD-like) and has become a bit of a standard. It will do everything that has been requested including interface with external hardware encrption devices. SSL allows the two ends to "decide" on a cipher much like VOIP phones "decide"

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Brian D Heaton
Mark, Would it be within scope to request an Ibutton interface on the IAXy? This might be a good way to both ID the user and store key variables. There is a site at -- http://www.ibutton.com/ -- that provides a gateway into all the Ibutton devices, protocols, etc. The DS1996L wi

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Emanuele Pucciarelli
Hello, > The PGP documentation suggestes that users cary their key > in a floppy and never copy the key file to the hard disk. > So your "little black plastic key" is a floppy with the write > tab punched out. Maybe I've missed an important turn in this thread, but it seems to me that the discuss

Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAX/IAX2 encryption?

2003-11-11 Thread Chris Albertson
There is nothing you can use that will help you if the machine itself is not trusted. Hardware encryption can't help if the USB port or sound card on the PC is "bugged". It would be easy to write a device driver for a sound card that sent data out some back door. If you are _very_ concerned you