Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Mojo with Horan & Company, LLC
J. Oquendo wrote: > it does, when someone can realistically point this out please let me > know so I can switch from a DS3 to T1 and save money. > Use the T1 for voice and get a DSL modem for your data use? :) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Mojo with Horan & Company, LLC
J. Oquendo wrote: > Its fine and dandy, but the problem is you're still getting 5 packets. > You're still saturated period. No QoS in the world outside of your > provider and more bandwidth can alleviate that. Your provider is not > going to care what you do once its passed to the CPE. So look at i

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Ira
At 05:59 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote: >Not at all "little". If you have a lot of low priority outgoing traffic >(i.e. p2p) saturating your link, uplink traffic shaping will mean the >difference between a completely unintelligible call and something very >acceptable. My network looks like this: Cable

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 11:40 -0400, Chris Mason (Lists) wrote: > Mike wrote: > > do a decent > > job of providing QoS on the upstream, which is where you (usually) need it > > anyways. > > QOS can only be on outgoing, Which is what he meant when he said "upstream" I believe. > you can't set the

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Chris Mason (Lists)
Mike wrote: > do a decent > job of providing QoS on the upstream, which is where you (usually) need it > anyways. QOS can only be on outgoing, you can't set the priority of a packet after you receive it. The only other solution would be the cooperation of the ISP to provide QOS upstream of you

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Mike
: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:34 > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who > needs QoS anyway! > > > May I suggest the following read: > > A Beginners Guide To Successful VOIP Over DSL > >

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Michael Graves
May I suggest the following read: A Beginners Guide To Successful VOIP Over DSL http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30340/83/ Which covers both QoS and traffic shaping in small routers. It was written based upon my own experience with both Asterisk and hosted PBX providers. Michael On

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread J. Oquendo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian J. Murrell wrote: | I think I've made it clear that my argument is only about uplink shaping | and the requirement for it given the asymmetric nature of a lot of last | mile connections existing today. Funny enough that is *exactly* what | th

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 09:25 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: > > Is it? So you're telling me if you're saturated on the way in, fixing up > your packets on the way out is the solution. I think I've made it clear that my argument is only about uplink shaping and the requirement for it given the asymmetric

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread J. Oquendo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian J. Murrell wrote: | Not at all "little". If you have a lot of low priority outgoing traffic | (i.e. p2p) saturating your link, uplink traffic shaping will mean the | difference between a completely unintelligible call and something very | acc

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:36 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: > > Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > | But certainly at my choke point which is of course my Internet uplink, ^^^ > I > | can apply QOS (i.e. traffic shaping, which is what the O

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread J. Oquendo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian J. Murrell wrote: | Maybe your understanding of QOS and mine is different. Of course I have | no illusions that I can assign a priority to my packets that is going to | be meaningful to anyone once they leave my network. | | But certainly at

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 07:54 -0400, sil wrote: > > Apparently man people don't understand that those QoS settings on > routers mean little most of the time. Most providers resell QoS as a > premium service, so while many waste their time "painting their packets" > those markings get stripped. Mayb

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread sil
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian J. Murrell wrote: | | Yeah, well, that's all fine and dandy as long as "more capacity" is an | option. Many people are already subscribed to the most capacity | available to them and using it. | | b. Apparently man people don't understand th

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 07:16 -0400, sil wrote: > Simon wrote: > > | Is this worth doing? If so, what ports should i specifiy? > > > http://www.bricklin.com/qos.htm Yeah, well, that's all fine and dandy as long as "more capacity" is an option. Many people are already subscribed to the most capac

Re: [asterisk-users] QOS for outgoing SIP ... Who needs QoS anyway!

2008-04-17 Thread sil
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon wrote: | Is this worth doing? If so, what ports should i specifiy? http://www.bricklin.com/qos.htm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBSAcx