ProvoCityPower wrote:
Also who says Fax should ever be required on IP? My office has been
I'm fairly new here and don't mean to be contentious. We all have
different perspectives as to what VOIP should be. My goal is to replace
analog lines, not supplement them. I'm talking residential
I am
to not bring old technology to the new.
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Underwood
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:24 PM
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Hi,
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From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 19:04, John Breeden wrote:
How is Vonage doing it?
http://www.vonage.com/features_fax.php
unreliable, bandwidth hogging, inefficient ulaw. The point here is, if
we are to make something,
, 2003 4:43 PM
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On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 12:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ProvoCityPower
The question asked here, why on earth you want to push
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I totally agree with this... G.711 for inter Asterisk connections over WAN
is totally inefficient (even if it can work sometimes).
For LAN is acceptable and the standard FAX machine works great on ATA186,
but far better on TDM400.
Dan, you say fax works better on the TDM400 than the
Hi,
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From: Walker Haddock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan, you say fax works better on the TDM400 than the ATA186. I'm having
problems with faxing on the TDM400.
I had to drop the rx and tx rates on the fax machine down to 4800 baud to
get it to work. I have ordered an
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 05:06:57PM +0200, Dan wrote:
Hi,
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From: Walker Haddock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan, you say fax works better on the TDM400 than the ATA186. I'm having
problems with faxing on the TDM400.
I had to drop the rx and tx rates on the fax
Walker Haddock wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 05:06:57PM +0200, Dan wrote:
Hi,
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From: Walker Haddock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan, you say fax works better on the TDM400 than the ATA186. I'm having
problems with faxing on the TDM400.
I had to drop the
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[Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *....Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
On 12/12/03 13:56, Dan wrote: This is because
the fax is transmi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ProvoCityPower
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:51 PM
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The question asked here, why on earth you want to push fax data
over a VoIP link
On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 12:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ProvoCityPower
The question asked here, why on earth you want to push fax data
over a VoIP link at all. Fax compression isn't very efficient. may
speak volumes about the
ProvoCityPower wrote:
The question asked here, why on earth you want to push fax data over
a VoIP link at
all. Fax compression isn't very efficient. may speak volumes about
the future role of VOIP. My plans are to role out a VOIP connection to
thousands of Customers. Many have legacy fax
How is Vonage doing it?
http://www.vonage.com/features_fax.php
John Breeden
Hawaii
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Underwood
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX
Did DVD
players have to accommodate VHS tapes? Did VHS players have toaccept
beta? Why does VoIP have to deal with an accent protocol that can't
handlelossy audio, nor irregular delays?Also why should we
be soo wasteful when fax machines need a 80K codec toget the data across
IP, and the
Hi Jeff,
I live in Provo and I think I understand the application you're
referring to. Some folks in my neighborhood have been getting to be the
beta testers for these cool new fiber links that the city is supposed to
be laying out. If I only lived a few blocks over, I would be able to
get
It's
just my lowly opinion but I too must agree when it comes to the consumer/soho (1
to 3 line) markets.
CAUTION!!, DANGER!! Marketing Hat
On!!
Vonage, the most "visible" marketer of a voip consumer
product must also agree. Vontage offers anip "fax line".
usingcisco's ata. Vontagemust
It's just my lowly opinion but I too must agree when it comes to the
consumer/soho (1 to 3 line) markets.
CAUTION!!, DANGER!! Marketing Hat On!!
Vonage, the most visible marketer of a voip consumer product must also
agree. Vontage offers an ip fax line. using cisco's ata. Vontage must
see
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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:01 PM
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It's just my lowly opinion but I too must agree when
Hi Steve,
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...
. However, I think this has nothing to do with the
original poster's intent.
You're right.
Let's go back to my original problem.
There is any chance to make RxFax work with any type of fax machine?
It works for
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 09:29, Dan wrote:
Hi,
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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:58 PM
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On 12/12/03 13:56, Dan wrote
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 05:14, Dan wrote:
Hi,
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From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sounds like you want app_rcfax at the pstn to decode the fax data, then
it would somehow transfer the image file to your local machine via the
slow link and use
Hi,
From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
While I haven't tested it much, my first use of app_rxfax and app_txfax
worked fine. The glue is little more than procmail and sample.call
combined with working mail servers.
I have faith that Steve's work will continue to make the functionality
Tilghman Lesher wrote:
On Friday 12 December 2003 07:25, Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax
data (even converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes,
using low bandwidth codecs like GSM.
I know that this is possible only with the G.711 now
Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax
data (even converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes, using
low bandwidth codecs like GSM. I know that this is possible only with
the G.711 now (passing faxes using the audio stream), but maybe
Hi,
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From: Senad Jordanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer
Hi,
faxing works great with IAX/IAX2. Even over a 100ms ADSL link.
It does not really depend on the protocol, only on the codec.
regards
kapejod
Am Fr, 2003-12-12 um 14.42 schrieb Senad Jordanovic:
Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax
data
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From: Klaus-Peter Junghanns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
Hi,
faxing works great with IAX/IAX2. Even over a 100ms ADSL link.
It does
Dan wrote:
Hi,
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From: Senad Jordanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm
dreaming...:-)
Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol
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From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax data (even
converted in
On 12/12/03 13:56, Dan wrote:
This is because the fax is transmitted using the audio stream.
It is not related to the signaling protocol (SIP/IAX etc.) but to the audio
codec used.
Fax uses FSK modulation to transmit the data. If you compress this in a
lossy way (GSM, MP3, whatever) then the
Hi,
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
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From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users [EMAIL
Hi,
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From: Alastair Maw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
On 12/12/03 13:56, Dan wrote:
This is because the fax is transmitted using the audio
Hi,
Citeren Steve Kann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax data
(even
converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes, using low bandwidth
codecs like GSM.
I know that this is possible only with the G.711 now (passing faxes
using
the
15.15 schrieb Andrew Thompson:
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From: Klaus-Peter Junghanns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FAX, IAX and *Maybe I'm dreaming...:-)
Hi,
faxing works great with IAX/IAX2. Even
Alastair Maw wrote:
Fax uses FSK modulation to transmit the data. If you compress this in
a lossy way (GSM, MP3, whatever) then the integrity of the data is
affected (more or less seriously depending on the codec used). Fax
machines are generally quite picky, so compressing faxes is unlikely
Florian Overkamp wrote:
Hi,
Citeren Steve Kann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax data
(even
converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes, using low bandwidth
codecs like GSM.
I know that this is possible only with the G.711 now
On Friday 12 December 2003 07:25, Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax
data (even converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes,
using low bandwidth codecs like GSM.
I know that this is possible only with the G.711 now (passing faxes
using
On Friday 12 December 2003 07:25, Dan wrote:
Hi,
It would be great if the IAX protocol will be able to tranfer fax
data (even converted in another format) between Asterisk boxes,
using low bandwidth codecs like GSM.
I know that this is possible only with the G.711 now (passing faxes
using the
Hi,
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From: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 12 December 2003 07:25, Dan wrote:
You're not going to get that working because GSM is a lossy codec.
It is able to get extreme savings in size, because it optimizes out
parts of the sound that most humans
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