Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread David Powell
Monday, January 17, 2005, 5:06:47 AM, you wrote: I think this proposal throws out the baby with the bathwater. I don't see any reason to introduce an atom:language element; xml:lang can serve exactly the same purpose. If you want to reduce the effect on performance/DBs, there are the

Re: AtomOWL AtomIsRDF

2005-01-17 Thread Dan Brickley
* Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-17 16:12+0100] I have put up two pages (Paces) on the wiki. One AtomOWL [1] just is a place to work on the latest RDF model of Atom, and fulfill the requirement that Atom have a model. The Other AtomIsRDF [2] is a place to track the way for

Re: AtomOWL AtomIsRDF

2005-01-17 Thread Henry Story
On 17 Jan 2005, at 18:16, Dan Brickley wrote: [snip] I fear [2] is unfortunately named. Atom is RDF-like in some ways, but until the Atom spec says Atom is RDF, Atom isn't RDF. A surface similarity to RDF's XML encoding, or even to RDF's graph data model, isn't by itself enough to declare that

Re: AtomOWL AtomIsRDF

2005-01-17 Thread Walter Underwood
--On Monday, January 17, 2005 12:16:36 PM -0500 Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fear [2] is unfortunately named. Atom is RDF-like in some ways, but until the Atom spec says Atom is RDF, Atom isn't RDF. Call it AtomAsRDF. wunder -- Walter Underwood Principal Architect Verity Ultraseek

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 17, 2005, at 12:47 AM, David Powell wrote: I think that if we allow xml:lang then it should definitely be restricted. The current xml:lang everywhere situation is only simple to implement if you assume that your implementation stores all of it's data in an XML DOM. This

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: Draft format-04 says Requirements regarding the content and interpretation of xml:lang are specified in XML 1.0 [W3C.REC-xml-20040204] Section 2.12. If the element or attribute so labeled contains free text, xml:lang is relevant. If not, not. If you don't know (i.e. on some

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread James Aylett
On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Robert Sayre wrote: entry xml:lang=en xmlns=... xmlns:ext=... ... !-- a comment -- updated xml:lang=de ext:att=neintime/updated /entry I think it should be acceptable to return the following: entry xml:lang=en

Re: Please Review: Dissemination of Earthquake / Tsunami data via Atom

2005-01-17 Thread James Snell
What I'm wondering here is whether or not a retracted / or retracts / element could be used for this purpose. The retracted / element would be used within an entry to indicate that the entry has been retracted. The retracts / element would be used within a second entry to identify it as a

Re: Posted PaceExtensionConstruct

2005-01-17 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, David Powell wrote: I've just updated this proposal thanks to some of the feedback that I received. There is a change history at the end of the document. I'm OK with this. Also OK without it, but I gather that it would improve some people's comfort levels. Anyone

Re: AtomOWL AtomAsRDF

2005-01-17 Thread Danny Ayers
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:38:50 +0100, Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take for example the following extension proposed recently entry idtag://sometag/id geo:x10.1/geo:x geo:y57.3/geo:y ... /entry this implies the following rdf graph _e

RE: Please Review: Dissemination of Earthquake / Tsunami data via Atom

2005-01-17 Thread Bob Wyman
James Snell wrote: The retracted / element would be used within an entry to indicate that the entry has been retracted. I must admit that I find myself going around in circles concerning this issue of retractions. I may be overly analyzing this. In any case, the following is my current

Re: AtomOWL AtomAsRDF

2005-01-17 Thread Bill de hÓra
Henry Story wrote: this implies the following rdf graph _e -entry- _E |-id--tag://sometag |-geo:x-10.1 |-geo:y-57.3 [On a technical point, I would disagree the graph is implied. As I said earlier, this kind of assumption concerns me.] If you look at the AtomOWL

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread Martin Duerst
At 17:47 05/01/17, David Powell wrote: Reading the XML spec, I'm not clear that we're allowed to restrict the inheritance of xml:lang? From the spec: The intent declared with xml:lang is considered to apply to all attributes and content of the element where it is specified, unless overridden

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread Martin Duerst
At 05:15 05/01/18, David Powell wrote: Monday, January 17, 2005, 6:11:22 PM, you wrote: Suppose Joi Ito wants to list his name in Japanese but still write in English; or the the reverse. Let's hope he doesn't want to provide a name in more than one language. Well, I can definitely imagine

Re: Content datatypes in XSD?

2005-01-17 Thread Martin Duerst
At 04:54 05/01/18, Danny Ayers wrote: It's been a long time since I looked at XML schemas, but would be possible to express the content type attribute at all neatly using a complex type? I imagine the TEXT | HTML | XHTML part would be straightforward, but doesn't the | pretty/much;anything option

Re: Posted PaceSimpleLanguageTagging

2005-01-17 Thread Martin Duerst
At 05:16 05/01/18, David Powell wrote: Monday, January 17, 2005, 7:32:48 PM, you wrote: There are some fields in Atom which are language-independent or neutral and thus it might be useful to explicitly prevent the use of xml:lang tags for these elements or simply state that they have