Re: Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Walter Underwood
--On March 25, 2005 1:47:29 PM + Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are several RSS feeds out there that have dates where the day is > accurate > but the time is always the same (usually 10am for some reason), regardless of > the time of publication, ... > Proposal: Add to Date Con

Re: Identifiers again

2005-03-25 Thread Robert Sayre
Graham wrote: 1. Why are these two statements in the same paragraph? The content of an atom:id element MUST be created in a way that assures uniqueness; it is suggested that the atom:id element be stored along with the associated resource. Storage assures persistence but does nothing to im

Re: copyright, Creative Commons, and DRM in Atom/RSS

2005-03-25 Thread Henry Story
Thanks everyone for all the pointers and thoughts on the subject. I can see now that the issue is not so easy. I suppose I find the link method described by John quite attractive concerning the CC license. Henry Story On 25 Mar 2005, at 18:24, John Panzer wrote: On a side note, since Atom feed

Re: link confusion?

2005-03-25 Thread Henry Story
On 25 Mar 2005, at 17:36, Henry Story wrote: given the following example xml, ... http://bblfish.net/blog/page5.html#42"; type="text/html" hreflang="en" length="450" title="The html entry" rel="related/> [snip] So a better interp

Re: Confused about extensibility

2005-03-25 Thread Norman Walsh
/ "Thomas Broyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: |> | though I wonder why interlaced content models are used instead of | |> "ordered" content models... that would also allow DTD or XML Schema | |> (or any other schema requiring deterministic content models) to be | |> used to validate Atom

Re: Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: Atom already requires the timestamp to be precise to one second, but it is not practical to require (MUST) accuracy. We could do it, but we'd lock out the 99% of machines with bad clocks. Plus, some publications just don't have an accurate ti

Re: copyright, Creative Commons, and DRM in Atom/RSS

2005-03-25 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mar 25, 2005, at 18:38, Bob Wyman wrote: http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2005/03/lazyweb_query_a.html The basic message is that we should not be writing anything that implies that Creative Commons should be used for Digital Rights Management. +1 BTW, I think the anti-DRM clause of CC i

focus (was:Re: copyright)

2005-03-25 Thread Robert Sayre
Henry Story wrote: Clearly it would be very helpful if there were a machine readable way to set copyright policy on entries. Any thoughts on that? This is not an appropriate time to discuss design changes. Please limit list traffic to specific editorial suggestions and bug reports. Robert Sayre

Re: Alternative to the date regex

2005-03-25 Thread Walter Underwood
+1 on dropping the regex. It isn't from any of the other specs, it isn't specifically called out as explanatory and non-normative, and it is too long to be clear. Some examples would be nice, along with some examples of things which do not conform. wunder --On March 25, 2005 5:11:09 PM + Gr

RE: copyright, Creative Commons, and DRM in Atom/RSS

2005-03-25 Thread Bob Wyman
John Panzer wrote: > an example of an obvious-to-the-practitioner-skilled-in-the-art indicator of a CC license for Atom: > "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/" /> > which of course also extends to whatever other license schemes someone might come up with, as >  long as they have

Re: copyright

2005-03-25 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mar 25, 2005, at 14:41, Henry Story wrote: Clearly it would be very helpful if there were a machine readable way to set copyright policy on entries. Any thoughts on that? Legalese is complicated enough that it cannot be fully expressed in machine readable form unless the machine is AI-complete

Re: Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Joe Gregorio
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:47:29 +, Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are several RSS feeds out there that have dates where the day is > accurate but the time is always the same (usually 10am for some > reason), regardless of the time of publication, which completely messes > up sorting

Re: Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Graham
On 25 Mar 2005, at 5:01 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Could we make this a SHOULD? Yes, I agree SHOULD is the appropriate RFC term. Graham

Identifiers again

2005-03-25 Thread Graham
1. Why are these two statements in the same paragraph? The content of an atom:id element MUST be created in a way that assures uniqueness; it is suggested that the atom:id element be stored along with the associated resource. Storage assures persistence but does nothing to improve uniquene

Re: copyright, Creative Commons, and DRM in Atom/RSS

2005-03-25 Thread John Panzer
Bob Wyman wrote: Henry Story wrote: Yahoo! search launching a creative commons search engine ... it would be very helpful if there were a machine readable way to set copyright policy on entries. .. So, in summary, let's not go down the DRM path. It is a snake pit from

Re: Alternative to the date regex

2005-03-25 Thread Robert Sayre
Sounds like a plan to me. +1. Robert Sayre Graham wrote: Currently we have this "A Date construct is an element whose content MUST conform to the date-time BNF rule in [RFC3339]. I.e., the content of this element matches this regular expression: [0-9]{8}T[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}(\.[0

Alternative to the date regex

2005-03-25 Thread Graham
Currently we have this "A Date construct is an element whose content MUST conform to the date-time BNF rule in [RFC3339]. I.e., the content of this element matches this regular expression: [0-9]{8}T[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}(\.[0-9]+) ?(Z|[\+\-][0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2}) As a result

Re: Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 25, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Graham wrote: Proposal: Add to Date Construct section: "Date values must have a granularity of one second" Could we make this a SHOULD? Whereas Graham is correct in the normal case, I have an alternate scenario at 'ongoing'. Normally, the "updated" comes from the ti

link confusion?

2005-03-25 Thread Henry Story
I was trying to interpret the spec link element and found it a little confusing. If I try to look at the spec in a simple relational way (what is being related to what?) then, given the following example xml, ... http://bblfish.net/blog/page5.html#42"; type="text/html"

RE: copyright, Creative Commons, and DRM in Atom/RSS

2005-03-25 Thread Bob Wyman
Henry Story wrote: > Yahoo! search launching a creative commons search engine ... it would be > very helpful if there were a machine readable way to set copyright > policy on entries. I recently wrote on my blog about issues with Creative Commons. I suggest you read the post. See:

Date accuracy

2005-03-25 Thread Graham
There are several RSS feeds out there that have dates where the day is accurate but the time is always the same (usually 10am for some reason), regardless of the time of publication, which completely messes up sorting the day's entries. Currently the Atom spec implies that this is bad practice

Re: copyright

2005-03-25 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
well, we did something similar with p3p, metadata consisting of a a vocab, either associated with a namespace element, or with an html method. during the life of the drm wg i discussed the possibility of a similar mechanism to express some drm metadata. from my pov, p3p already expresses licensi

copyright

2005-03-25 Thread Henry Story
Hi, I just looked at Lawrence Lessig's presentation to the Library of Congress [1], and noticed his blog that shows Yahoo! search launching a creative commons search engine [2]. Clearly it would be very helpful if there were a machine readable way to set copyright policy on entries. Any thought

Re: Updated Atom2RDF stylesheet

2005-03-25 Thread Danny Ayers
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:16:57 +, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've updated my Atom to RDF/XML XSLT transform to implement draft-06. Great stuff! I've updated links etc. accordingly at: http://semtext.org/atom/ Anything needs adding there, please let me know. Cheers, Dan

Re: extensibility fixes

2005-03-25 Thread Danny Ayers
+1 looking good. Note also: 3.2 Person Constructs ... Person constructs MAY be extended by namespace-qualified element children. I'd suggest either striking this or (preferably) adding: "See 6.4 Extension Elements". Cheers, Danny. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:44:17 -0500, Robert Sayre <[