Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread Sam Ruby
John Panzer wrote: Eric Scheid wrote: On 2/5/05 1:51 AM, "A. Pagaltzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would +1 allowing identical IDs if it was required that the entries sharing an ID had different sources. perhaps we need to explain the concept of 'entries' (as resources), as distinct from s (as re

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread Henry Story
On 1 May 2005, at 18:18, Eric Scheid wrote: On 2/5/05 1:51 AM, "A. Pagaltzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would +1 allowing identical IDs if it was required that the entries sharing an ID had different sources. perhaps we need to explain the concept of 'entries' (as resources), as distinct from s

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread John Panzer
Eric Scheid wrote: On 2/5/05 1:51 AM, "A. Pagaltzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would +1 allowing identical IDs if it was required that the entries sharing an ID had different sources. perhaps we need to explain the concept of 'entries' (as resources), as distinct fro

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Eric Scheid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-01 18:45]: > perhaps we need to explain the concept of 'entries' (as > resources), as distinct from s (as representations), and > explain that 'entries' must have unique IDs, and that the > element of any ties it back to the > 'entry' resource. That de

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread Eric Scheid
On 2/5/05 1:51 AM, "A. Pagaltzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would +1 allowing identical IDs if it was required that the > entries sharing an ID had different sources. perhaps we need to explain the concept of 'entries' (as resources), as distinct from s (as representations), and explain tha

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-30 22:15]: > Remove the bullet point that reads > > {{{ atom:feed elements MUST NOT contain atom:entry elements > with identical atom:id values. }}} > > Add a paragraph after the list that reads > > {{{ > Atom Processors use the atom:id element found

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread Graham
On 30 Apr 2005, at 9:34 pm, Robert Sayre wrote: Say someone writes a quick PHP script that doesn't keep any state and loops through the entries to display them on a web page. They'll have different results than a well-written desktop aggregator. A well-written desktop RSS aggregator would consider

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-05-01 Thread Eric Scheid
On 1/5/05 6:34 AM, "Robert Sayre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Say someone writes a quick PHP script that doesn't keep any state and > loops through the entries to display them on a web page. They'll have > different results than a well-written desktop aggregator. a well written aggregator may w

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-04-30 Thread Robert Sayre
On 4/30/05, Bob Wyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The spec should STRONGLY state that each entry must have a unique > atom id. The point of the "require source" language is not to remove the > requirement for uniqueness but rather to provide a more useful way of doing > cross-feed determi

RE: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-04-30 Thread Bob Wyman
Robert Sayre wrote: > compliant processors will still differ from one-off hacks. Why in the world are we letting "one-off hacks" influence the design of Atom? That strikes me as rather unwise. We aren't here to make life easy for script-kiddies. We're here to design a format that allows us

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-04-30 Thread Sam Ruby
Robert Sayre wrote: On 4/30/05, Antone Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Saturday, April 30, 2005, at 02:02 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: The proposed compromise to allow duplicate IDs in feeds, on the condition that a source element is present, doesn't address the problem of quick scripts that proba

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-04-30 Thread Robert Sayre
On 4/30/05, Antone Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday, April 30, 2005, at 02:02 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: > > > The proposed compromise to allow duplicate IDs in feeds, on the > > condition that a source element is present, doesn't address the > > problem of quick scripts that prob

Re: PaceExplainDuplicateIds

2005-04-30 Thread Antone Roundy
On Saturday, April 30, 2005, at 02:02 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: The proposed compromise to allow duplicate IDs in feeds, on the condition that a source element is present, doesn't address the problem of quick scripts that probably won't group duplicate IDs. I don't understand the last part of this s