Re: Changing feed thread (was: Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax)

2006-03-26 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/3/24, James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1. Do I change to ? +0.5, I have no real problem with id but as it seems to bother some people… > and.. to address David's concerns about extending atom:link... > > 2. Do I change thr:count and thr:when to extension elements instead of > attribut

Re: Changing feed thread (was: Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax)

2006-03-25 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-24 21:30]: >1. Do I change to ? +1, in case my implicit vote isn’t already counted. >2. Do I change thr:count and thr:when to extension elements >instead of attributes on atom:link? +0; but I don’t plan on using those on either end of the wire. Re

Re: Changing feed thread (was: Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax)

2006-03-24 Thread James Holderness
James M Snell wrote: 1. Do I change to ? I don't know enough to care what you call those attributes. And it's a long way before we'll go live with anything so if you need to change attribute names it wouldn't bother me in the least. 2. Do I change thr:count and thr:when to extension ele

Changing feed thread (was: Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax)

2006-03-24 Thread James M Snell
Sylvain Hellegouarch wrote: > > Hi James, >> For me it's a matter of the fact that the spec has gone through 6 >> revisions and two design overhauls since it was first pitched. It's >> been out there for quite a while. At some point, the design discussions >> need to end and it needs to stabli

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-24 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
Hi James, For me it's a matter of the fact that the spec has gone through 6 revisions and two design overhauls since it was first pitched. It's been out there for quite a while. At some point, the design discussions need to end and it needs to stablize so that folks can do something real with

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-24 Thread James M Snell
For me it's a matter of the fact that the spec has gone through 6 revisions and two design overhauls since it was first pitched. It's been out there for quite a while. At some point, the design discussions need to end and it needs to stablize so that folks can do something real with it. If, dur

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-24 Thread James M Snell
David Powell wrote: > Friday, March 24, 2006, 3:28:02 AM, James Snell wrote: > >> I believe the concern is over the thr:count and thr:when attributes for >> the replies link relation, both of which are optional, and both of which >> provide what I consider to be extra information. In other word

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-24 Thread David Powell
Friday, March 24, 2006, 3:28:02 AM, James Snell wrote: > I believe the concern is over the thr:count and thr:when attributes for > the replies link relation, both of which are optional, and both of which > provide what I consider to be extra information. In other words, it's > ok if an implemen

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-24 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
Just wanted to follow through on this for everyone. Given that there are vendors getting ready to ship code based on the current rev of the spec, I'm *not* going to rename the "id" attribute to "ref". Yes, I know that "id" is confusing to some folks, but we're just talking the name of a singl

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-23 Thread James M Snell
David Powell wrote: >[snip] > The abandonment of extension constructs in favour of undefined markup > by this draft, and other draft-*-atompub-* drafts would be an > interoperability concern if these drafts were deployed. If you want to > extend Atom, use Extension Elements. > I'm most certainl

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-23 Thread James M Snell
I believe the concern is over the thr:count and thr:when attributes for the replies link relation, both of which are optional, and both of which provide what I consider to be extra information. In other words, it's ok if an implementation drops them. The important bit is the in-reply-to element

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-23 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-24 02:20]: >The abandonment of extension constructs in favour of undefined >markup by this draft, and other draft-*-atompub-* drafts would >be an interoperability concern if these drafts were deployed. If >you want to extend Atom, use Extension Elements.

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-23 Thread David Powell
Thursday, March 23, 2006, 9:39:09 PM, James M Snell wrote: > Just wanted to follow through on this for everyone. Given that there > are vendors getting ready to ship code based on the current rev of the > spec, I'm *not* going to rename the "id" attribute to "ref". Yes, I > know that "id" is c

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-23 Thread James M Snell
Just wanted to follow through on this for everyone. Given that there are vendors getting ready to ship code based on the current rev of the spec, I'm *not* going to rename the "id" attribute to "ref". Yes, I know that "id" is confusing to some folks, but we're just talking the name of a single a

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-17 Thread James M Snell
Andreas Sewe wrote: > @ref, however, sounds like an entirely reasonable name for such an > attribute. > I'm coming around to this view as well. On the downside, there are implementations of the draft that are being prepared now, I will ping the folks who I know are implementing and see if a na

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-17 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
Considering the above-mentioned symmetry with @href, I’m coming around to whose-ever view it was that this attribute should be called @ref for balance. +1 for @ref as well.

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-17 Thread Andreas Sewe
Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sylvain Hellegouarch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I would rather move the content of that attribute as a text element of the 'in-reply-to' element (as does the atom:id element). I raised a similar issue regarding James Snell's Feed Rank I-D where a ranking:scheme

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-16 20:15]: >2006/3/16, Sylvain Hellegouarch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Atom sets the atom:id value not as in an attribute of atom:id >> but as its content. Why not following the convention in the >> first place? > >Because they don't deserve the same role.

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/3/16, Sylvain Hellegouarch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > It could lead to confusion, but as Atom doesn't define such an > > attribute in its own namespace (or on elements in its own namespace) > > and as no other extension that I know of do that either, I don't think > > it really matters… > > You

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
Hello Thomas, It could lead to confusion, but as Atom doesn't define such an attribute in its own namespace (or on elements in its own namespace) and as no other extension that I know of do that either, I don't think it really matters… You are right Atom does not define such an attribute b

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/3/16, Sylvain Hellegouarch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Calling such an attribute 'id' is a mistake in my opinion as it confuses > with the actual ID of the element itself within the XML document it > belongs to It could lead to confusion, but as Atom doesn't define such an attribute in its own na