Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Julian Reschke
Bill de hÓra wrote: ... ultraliberal/+halfassedwebdav ... I guess I need you to explain that joke. Julian (confused) -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Bill de hÓra
Robert Sayre wrote: I suggest we register a new top-level: ultraliberal/.. Huge +1 to this: ultraliberal/+pimpmyfeed ultraliberal/+worksforme ultraliberal/+diveintoaggregatorshite ultraliberal/+halfassedwebdav Perhaps we could get this through the IETF mincer by April 1st? (...so... why are

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: I was going for a single media type for all of RSS, with (IIRC) an optional "version" parameter. Well, if someone wanted to strive for descriptiveness, they should register, for 0.9, 1.0, and 2.0 I suggest we register a new

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: I was going for a single media type for all of RSS, with (IIRC) an optional "version" parameter. Well, if someone wanted to strive for descriptiveness, they should register, for 0.9, 1.0, and 2.0 application/the-rss-that-grew-in-a-neglected

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Paul Hoffman
[[ Co-chair hat on ]] At 12:34 AM -0500 3/30/05, Randy Charles Morin wrote: Do-over. Can this be done thru the Atom WG and how? It's not in our charter, and it is not useful to our chartered work. The current registration in our WG document serves our purposes. You can certainly pursue this as an

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Antone Roundy
RSS processors support both. Certainly the fact that there are major similarities makes it much easier to support both. If we do go for a separate subtype for each, it might be good to do something to ensure that they're unambiguous. For example, "application/rss+xml" wou

RE: application/rss+xml

2005-03-30 Thread Scott Hollenbeck
TECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:47 AM > To: Tim Bray > Cc: Bjoern Hoehrmann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Atomlist > Subject: Re: application/rss+xml > > > > I tried; the official response [1] was that the IESG wanted > to see an > stable and available spec -- by

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Mark Nottingham
Yeah, I know. I *think* I have a better chance by getting some sort of meaningful answer from CC first, and taking that to Harvard to confirm (or just tell them ;) -- such a query directed to Harvard itself mind wind its way through the halls aimlessly for quite some time, if indeed it ever mad

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Robert Sayre
Mark Nottingham wrote: it's more an issue of whether the CC Attribution + ShareAlike 1.0 license terms are satisified by the I-D boilerplate. I've just asked CC that very question... Not really. It says "identical". If it were identical, there wouldn't be a question. Seems like you'd have to ta

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Robert Sayre
Mark Nottingham wrote: I tried; the official response [1] was that the IESG wanted to see an stable and available spec -- by their standards -- for RSS before putting it in the standards tree. Just doing a registration doesn't cut it. I worked on an RSS 2.0 I-D [2] for a while and then stopp

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Mark Nottingham
it's more an issue of whether the CC Attribution + ShareAlike 1.0 license terms are satisified by the I-D boilerplate. I've just asked CC that very question... On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: Mark Nottingham wrote: I tried; the official response [1] was that the IESG wanted to

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Mark Nottingham
I was going for a single media type for all of RSS, with (IIRC) an optional "version" parameter. Generally, having a media type identify a particular version of a format is frowned upon; think about HTML, XML, etc. It's for coarse-grained identification of the format. Of course, given that RSS

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Mark Nottingham
IESG approval of an Internet-Draft with a media type registration would register the type, yes. Whether we should try to register application/ rss+xml is a different question though. D'oh, Randy wanted rss+xml, not atom+xml. Missed the point. -Tim -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 29, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: I tried; the official response [1] was that the IESG wanted to see an stable and available spec -- by their standards -- for RSS before putting it in the standards tree. Just doing a registration doesn't cut it. I worked on an RSS 2.0 I-D [2]

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Randy Charles Morin
val of an Internet-Draft with a media type registration would > > register the type, yes. Whether we should try to register application/ > > rss+xml is a different question though. > > D'oh, Randy wanted rss+xml, not atom+xml. Missed the point. -Tim > >

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 29, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: IESG approval of an Internet-Draft with a media type registration would register the type, yes. Whether we should try to register application/ rss+xml is a different question though. D'oh, Randy wanted rss+xml, not atom+xml. Missed the

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Tim Bray wrote: >On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Randy Charles Morin wrote: >> k, let's start by admitting my true goal is to get application/rss+xml >> into the registered IANA media types [1]. > >Uh, I think we can register it as a side-effect of getting the format

Re: application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Tim Bray
On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Randy Charles Morin wrote: k, let's start by admitting my true goal is to get application/rss+xml into the registered IANA media types [1]. Uh, I think we can register it as a side-effect of getting the format draft through the process with an RFC number. Right,

application/rss+xml

2005-03-29 Thread Randy Charles Morin
k, let's start by admitting my true goal is to get application/rss+xml into the registered IANA media types [1]. I'm thinking this could be done by describing the mechanism extension to RSS in an IETF draft, along with the required media types registration mumbo and passing it thru t