Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? I dont think that Ill have to do math at a higher enough level to require braille.I was looking for something to alleviate the pain of reading tonnes of formatting spam in a latex source document for tests and such, and I found a programme

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Pandoc is not converting LaTeX. Pandoc is converting some small portion of LaTeX that it happens to understand. As soon as you throw an actually complicated document at it its going to choke and die hard. The issue you are having

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? I cant elaborate on the LaTeX toolchain, as Ive not done it-I use Mathtype for what little I need. It will take a few hours to download, though-the one I installed a long time ago as part of Cygwin comes out to something like 12 GB

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Converting in.tex to html:pandoc -f latex -R -s -m -t html -o out.html in.texpauseThere are other possible switches you can use for math rendering, one of which renders the math in graphics but with accessible latex captions.I do see your

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Converting in.tex to html:pandoc -f latex -R -s -m -t html -o out.html in.texpauseThere are other possible switches you can use for math rendering, one of which renders the math in graphics but with accessible latex captions.I do see your

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : dan_c via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? For me, I cant imagine having to do maths without braille. I tried it once, and the amount of time it took me to process the information was ridiculous.I know what you mean about the disabled students allowance Dark. I was told before

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Before I had braille in any form, i.e. through Calc 2, it was simple: I had a reader. And then I got out the delightful perkins brailler (limiting where I can meet the reader, because just imagine trying to get that across campus

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-25 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Dark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? @Camlorn, I think this is a cultural difference here. Bare in mind in Britain universities are already struggling for cash anyway (one reason student fees are so insane and getting insanerer), and will reffuse disabled students places

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-25 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : cx2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Also I never said dont ask, and I never said things are as easy as they should be. Beurocratic inertia and apathy are a problem just about everywhere you look when it comes to service provision. Part of my point was you have to expect

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? $10k. Once. Forever. And it removes the need to know braille, which is the killer here. I pay $12k a year to my university, all be it not out of pocket. Even at that price, thats tuition and dorm for 1 year for one student The assumption

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Braille is not expensive. Anyone who can use word can make it for you. Your office for students with disabilities, should they have a tiger printer, can pay a student worker the standard student worker rates; as a result, braille becomes

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Um. Realistic is knowing that you have precedent on your side at this point. You do realize that there have been at least two settlements in the last 4 years, and one of them was for something near $100k? I believe there have actually been

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : cx2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Victorious, good to know. My experiences were admittedly around ten years ago and it was rather awkward to say the least. I ended up having to invent my own notation which I cant remember any of now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : cx2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Victorious, good to know. My experiences were admittedly around ten years ago and it was rather awkward to say the least. I ended up having to invent my own notation which I cant remember any of now.Camlorn, $10,000 is a lot when you need

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Dark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Well if your trying to To be honest ocr even for standard text can be ropy, so if your going into complex mathematical symbols, god knows!Fortunately I never studdied maths to that level myself, science just required statistics (although I

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? As to why braille isnt feasible for me, its expensive (financially and time-wise) to obtain material in braille, so much so that Ive switched to using latex for my math needs wherever possible. I took a closer look at the book and it seems

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-24 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : CAE_Jones via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Urr... depends on the university?Tigers were $10k, last I checked. Theres a whole one in my state. Easier to use one of the lesser embossers with dedicated software.Brailling a whole STEM book at once isnt what were talking about, though

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Braille is the only feasible solution for a lot of this at the moment, Im afraid. The reason Im not giving an overview of the issues is because it is a very, very big problem and I have no idea where to even start explaining. I suppose

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Screen readers cant read math because of basically everything. If we can get Design Science to release Mathplayer, itll be better-but not best. Unfortunately, who knows if or when that will happen. Im betting on never, but Im hearing from

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Braille wouldnt be a feasible solution in my case. Ive written to the InftyReader developers to see if they can improve recognition of matrices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=202113#p202113

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Dark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Well Supernova at least will read basic equations so long as theyre written with ascii characters, (though I usually need to fiddle with the verbosity to alter what punctuation is spoken), and if a recognized tabula format is used

Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : cx2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Simple answer, the screen reader companies just havent focussed on the problem.The more complex answer, as someone who took a unit in discrete maths, is that there doesnt seem to be any recognition of the more advanced symbology built

Why do screen readers struggle to read math?

2015-01-23 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Victorious via Audiogames-reflector
Why do screen readers struggle to read math? Ive been experiencing some stupid bugs and issues with InftyReader, the most concerning for me is the poor quality of recognition results of anything more complex than 1-column matrices. This sucks because im taking an introductory course