Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest Jitterbug (Let's comment on this.....)

2015-01-09 Thread Julf
And do we actually have any evidence that this wonderful thing makes any audible difference? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transporter with NAV Wheel

2015-01-09 Thread WilCox
I'm selling my mint Logitech Transporter (full version with NAV wheel control, NOT the stripped down SE version). All original boxes, manuals and accessories. Fully functional and in mint condition., used less than 100 hours (conservative estimate) since this was a second unit purchased as a back

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: > > I never thinks it's is that easy as just follows the money , its a > culture with a believe system an anti science one sadly . Rational > arguments have little meaning . > For example that if you measure , like Archimago has done on several > occasions the DAC outputs exactly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?

2015-01-09 Thread Gazjam
Running my Transporter into a modded M2Tech Young with linear power supply. A step up from the TPs internal Dac, which is great but a little flat dynamically imo. Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest Jitterbug (Let's comment on this.....)

2015-01-09 Thread Mnyb
In the Case of the Dragonfly wonder what's really going on that DAC a is actually driven from the 5v at the USB port ? Or with other DAC's driven from the USB be port ? In a general case a normal DAC a would only be feed by the USB signal . What gives then ? I tend to think application specific s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > No need to. The important criteria is "audible". > > > > No. Good engineering means optimizing what is relevant, not what is > irrelevant. You can spend an endless amount of time and money reducing > noise - where would you stop, if all you went by was "the lower, the > better"?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest Jitterbug (Let's comment on this.....)

2015-01-09 Thread nuwanda
[image: http://www.audiostream.com/images/styles/600_wide/public/1814jitterbug.jpg?itok=Fou6HAqm] The link: http://www.audiostream.com/content/audioquest-jitterbug nuwanda's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.ph

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AudioQuest Jitterbug (Let's comment on this.....)

2015-01-09 Thread nuwanda
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread soundcheck
darrenyeats wrote: > > It seems DAC manufacturers (including the 'non-foo' pro firms) are not > stopping though. That's good. And there's an obvious reason for not stopping. "Audiophiles" and "Reviewers" are driving them nuts. ;) And companies like iFi are popping up with battery driven 200

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread darrenyeats
soundcheck wrote: > > These devices get measured in a clean test bed. That's why peripheral > changes in real world scenarios can have and usually have impact -- even > on "Femto Clock" DACs. > Yes, good to bear in mind what measurements are and what they are not! But still very useful of cours

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread Julf
soundcheck wrote: > Hmmh. Define: Noise No need to. The important criteria is "audible". > I do know one thing - the lower, the better - over the entire bandwidth. No. Good engineering means optimizing what is relevant, not what is irrelevant. You can spend an endless amount of time and money

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread soundcheck
Julf wrote: > Of course. Every engineer also knows that there is a level that is low > enough that the noise doesn't have any effect. > Hmmh. Define: Noise The noise we're talking about is a complex bucket full of everything. It's comprising of all kind of different noise types. People tend t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread Julf
soundcheck wrote: > Every (radio) engineer (1 semester) knows about EMI/RFI effects. Of course. Every engineer also knows that there is a level that is low enough that the noise doesn't have any effect. > There's nothing to prove here. Except that the USB termination actually makes an audibl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread soundcheck
Every engineer does as much as a specification asks for. Usually no more. USB or networks were never build with "Audio" in mind. If a bit gets lost. It's send once more. That's not good enough, neither for medical, nor for lab, nor for audio applications. Every (radio) engineer (1 semester)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread probedb
soundcheck wrote: > Open lines or ports usually act like antennas/transmitters/reflectors. > That even applies to RCA jacks. > There are physical interferences. > > Properly terminating open ports is a very well known measure to get > interferences down. Where? Where does it says this? If anyt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread soundcheck
Open lines or ports usually act like antennas/transmitters/reflectors. That even applies to RCA jacks. There are physical interferences. Properly terminating open ports is a very well known measure to get interferences down. If and how this impacts your soundexpierence is a different thing. Lo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > But what AudioQuest is claiming is that their filter will bring benefits > even when used on unused USB connectors (not just the one you connect > your DAC to). Well ofcourse:) any pc like thingy have plenty of outputs . Yeas some tweaks have some actual physics involved , next qu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread Julf
soundcheck wrote: > I'm running USB filters since a long time (On USB 1.1 I ran optical > isolators ). There's nothing esoteric about them. > It's simple physics. But what AudioQuest is claiming is that their filter will bring benefits even when used on unused USB connectors (not just the one y

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh-oh, the ethernet/USB cable dispute all over again ...

2015-01-09 Thread soundcheck
Hi there. I'm running USB filters since a long time. There's nothing esoteric about them. It's simple physics. These devices just filter the noise on pretty noisy USB data, power and ground leads. These effects can easily be measured. How much it impacts the DAC soundquality/soundexperience i