Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread darrenyeats
arnyk wrote: > DBTs have shown that a single generation of vinyl transcription is > highly audible while a single generation of even mediocre but modern > digital is sonically transparent. I'm arguing vinyl transcription reverses extreme compression, somehow, so that would be consistent with my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread Julf
darrenyeats wrote: > I'm arguing vinyl transcription reverses extreme compression, somehow, > so that would be consistent with my view. Any suggestion of what the mechanism would be? Pretty much all the non-linearities of the vinyl path would cause *more* compression - but as has been pointed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > So the LP master is commonly derived from the already hypercompressed > "master master", because from an artistic viewpoint that is how it's > supposed to sound. Sad but true. That's also why modern remastered CDs > routinely sound worse than the original 1980s release - because

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread cliveb
ralphpnj wrote: > Finally I believe that there are several "masters" in use when making a > CD or an LP. There's the master tape, which is then used to make a > separate CD master and then a different LP master. Since the overall > volume of an LP can't be boosted like that of CD there is no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread Julf
darrenyeats wrote: > "Expand your mind (the rest will follow)"! Such a device can only make > sense in the situation where a signal has been compressed and you are > reversing this process. I'm certain this process will be far from > perfect, but nevertheless expansion is "A Thing". > > I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread Julf
browellm wrote: > ftfy. Point taken :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread d6jg
ralphpnj wrote: > I'm not sure but I believe that the dynamic range compression used on so > many popular music CDs is the result of trying to push the overall > volume of the CD way, way up. Remember that dynamic range compression > was originally used on radio broadcasts to make the quiet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread browellm
Julf wrote: > There are loudspeakers ftfy. Modwright Transporter/SBT/SBR/Boom http://www.last.fm/user/browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread Julf
browellm wrote: > Hi Clive > > I'm aware of the artefacts that fool the DR database into reporting > higher DR, but I can only offer my subjective impressions of owning both > the digital and vinyl versions of many pop and indie new releases and > the vinyl sounds way more dynamic. Now I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-01-27 Thread arnyk
darrenyeats wrote: > > Ian is convinced that the vinyl can't have more dynamic range on > principal but I think it's mistaken. > Since they are so often conflated, we seem to need to distinguish between the needs of the people who produce the media which are social, and the capabilities of