Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread philippe_44
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread drmatt
I got a few 24/44 flac files from warp records, that's about it for "hires". drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106621

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Mnyb
As being suckered in by the original hirez campaign and having a lot of DVDA a think it's correct to say that 50% is fake and probably more so with the more popular SACD format . I did buy a lot AIX/itrax releases these are actual hirez recordings. I see the marketing angle here they recording

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread arnyk
Jeff07971 wrote: > Its not really the same conversation really, I do not say that the way > the 0's and 1's are "shipped" makes any difference. > > I am however saying maybe higher sample rates and possibly bit depth > would be more sensible despite what the average person may hear. > Oh, that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread arnyk
Jeff07971 wrote: > I couln't find anything pertinent I did have a fair google ! > > The only thing I found was that my copy was one of the rarer ones (SONY > one) > > I'll have to find it and Ebay ! :) > > Edit: And WOW if that was from a 1973 master !!! I have a modest collection (about 2,00

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Julf
Jeff07971 wrote: > The commonly held belief (and entirely reasonable) is that we can only > "hear" up to 17 (or so) Khz the 22 Khz (or so) limit is only about 1/4 > octave or 25% "safety" factor against the average. > > I wouldn't want to use a safety rope with 125% breaking strain on the > aver

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Jeff07971
> Headhunters 1973 or earlier. I googled on stuff like "title" + release > date. I couln't find anything pertinent I did have a fair google ! The only thing I found was that my copy was one of the rarer ones (SONY one) I'll have to find it and Ebay ! :) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Recei

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Jeff07971
Julf wrote: > Clearly we are. Happy to continue in whichever thread you want. Its not really the same conversation really, I do not say that the way the 0's and 1's are "shipped" makes any difference. I am however saying maybe higher sample rates and possibly bit depth would be more sensible de

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread arnyk
Jeff07971 wrote: > I did not know that > > I only bought 2 SACD's Pink Floyd "The Wall" and Hebie Hancock > Headhunters. > The Wall was originally recorded in 1979 or earlier and Headhunters 1973 or earlier. I googled on stuff like "title" + release date. Both have solidly low resolution pr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Jeff07971
> Do you know of any? Did you know yourself? I did not know that I only bought 2 SACD's Pink Floyd "The Wall" and Herbie Hancock "Headhunters" I thought Headhunters SACD sounded way better than CD, Is there any information as to what SACD's were from 16/44 and was this one of them ? *Players

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread arnyk
Julf wrote: > The Oohashi research has pretty much been discredited, mainly because it > "originates with a single research group whose results contain some > contradictions and whose results have apparently never been > independently reproduced". On the other hand, there is ample > reproducible

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread arnyk
Jeff07971 wrote: > From wiki so it may be rubbish:- > > > > Isn't this the ultimate DBT ? Even the subject didn't know they were > reacting ! :) The ultimate DBT was the release and distribution of DVD-A and SACD. It was ultimately found that about half the first 5 or more years of released

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Mnyb
My thoughts. Only closely miced apply ultrasound is rapidly damped in air. The 20kHz is welll established due to the mechanical "design" of our ear , exceptions is extremely rare . HF hearing starts to detoriate when we are kids and dont get better. And the extrme ends of our range 20 and 20kh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Julf
drmatt wrote: > (Hmm. Are we having the same conversation in two threads?! :) ) Clearly we are. Happy to continue in whichever thread you want. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread drmatt
"shipping files"? Really? drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106621 ___ au

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-13 Thread Julf
drmatt wrote: > So what about we avoid the resampling step to 44/16 and just start > shipping the digital masters in 96/24 or whatever they are? Why would > anyone object? Most of them seem to be 48/24. 95% of music buyers would probably object to having to pay the extra cost of shipping files t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread drmatt
So what about we avoid the resampling step to 44/16 and just start shipping the digital masters in 96/24 or whatever they are? Why would anyone object? drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=594

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Julf
philippe_44 wrote: > Your hearing has a lowpass filter <20KHz. Ah, but how about my pet bat Eric? :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread philippe_44
Jeff07971 wrote: > After an "interesting" :) discussion here regarding bandwidth and sample > depth/rates in digital audio I found this interesting :- > > http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm I'm not sure anybody claims that such instruments do not produce >20KHz sound, like som

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Julf
Jeff07971 wrote: > Isn't this the ultimate DBT ? Even the subject didn't know they were > reacting ! :) Yes - and if other researchers can reproduce and verify the results, it would definitely be interesting, but until that happens, I am afraid it has to be filed away in the "cold fusion" catego

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Jeff07971
Julf wrote: > The Oohashi research has pretty much been discredited, mainly because it > "originates with a single research group whose results contain some > contradictions and whose results have apparently never been > independently reproduced". On the other hand, there is ample > reproducible

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Julf
Jeff07971 wrote: > However there is reference http://jn.physiology.org/content/83/6/3548 > which seems to suggest that our brains are affected by signals outside > the 20Khz window even if we can't "hear" them The Oohashi research has pretty much been discredited, mainly because it "originates w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Jeff07971
arnyk wrote: > I had this article in mind when I mentioned the Harman Mute Trumpet in a > previous post. The thing to remember that the world is full of all sorts > of noises that our ears and brains are blissfully unaware of, and that > keeps our minds focused on the important things. I thought

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread arnyk
Wombat wrote: > I have an old thread with people argue about several aspects of what > golden ears believe to be important. Please take some time to follow the > man posting as jj. > http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=85&sid=ebf649f5fd9a63defdacc7c60d6acb1c That articleis based on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Julf
arnyk wrote: > The thing to remember that the world is full of all sorts of noises that > our ears and brains are blissfully unaware of, and that keeps our minds > focused on the important things. We have a fair number of bats living in the neighbourhood, and while their chatter might be interes

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Wombat
I have an old thread with people argue about several aspects of what golden ears believe to be important. Please take some time to follow the man posting as jj. http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=85&sid=ebf649f5fd9a63defdacc7c60d6acb1c Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde A

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread arnyk
Jeff07971 wrote: > After an "interesting" :) discussion here regarding bandwidth and sample > depth/rates in digital audio I found this interesting :- > > http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm I had this article in mind when I mentioned the Harman Mute Trumpet in a previous post.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting read regarding bandwidth of musical instruments

2016-12-12 Thread Jeff07971
After an "interesting" :) discussion here regarding bandwidth and sample depth/rates in digital audio I found this interesting :- http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0