Done:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TU_Meeting
-- Hugo
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:25:55AM -0300, Hugo Doria wrote:
> Done:
>
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TU_Meeting
>
> -- Hugo
Oh crap. I created
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trusted_User_Meeting
Haha
I am genrally busy enough on the weekends to not commit to anything further,
plus I probably have little to contribute, so PLEASE send an email when a
date is decided and IF I am available, I will try to be there. Now if you
guys could hold it on a weekday morning (that is here in New Mexico) then
OR. Be polite and ASK them if it is alright to do so.
Bob F.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Allan McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi TUs,
>
> Following this post on the forums (
> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=447186), I would like to remind
> people that it is good etiquet
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:20:22AM -0700, w9ya wrote:
> I would like to remind everyone that the TU system was NOT originated solely
> to be based on votes, in fact there was no voting until much more recently.
>
> Also, when the voting was added to the TU system the community and TUs were
> SPECI
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Loui Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Another point to consider is that gerolde (the Arch Linux server)
> is already being taxed to the point where it is becoming unstable.
> We can either try to do something to help the situation, or
> we can protect some maint
Loui Chang a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:20:22AM -0700, w9ya wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that the TU system was NOT originated solely
to be based on votes, in fact there was no voting until much more recently.
Also, when the voting was added to the TU system the community a
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:12:14PM +0100, Xavier wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Loui Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Another point to consider is that gerolde (the Arch Linux server)
> > is already being taxed to the point where it is becoming unstable.
> > We can either try to
2008/11/10 Allan McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi TU's,
>
> I would like to organize a TU meeting on IRC to discuss the results of the
> pkgstats script and the direction for the [community] repo. I am probably
> the person with the worst time zone issues so I am happy to take a very late
> night t
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Alessio Bolognino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon 2008-11-10 07:07, w9ya wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Allan McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Hi TUs,
> > >
> > > Following this post on the forums (
> > > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.p
On Mon 2008-11-10 07:07, w9ya wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Allan McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi TUs,
> >
> > Following this post on the forums (
> > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=447186), I would like to remind
> > people that it is good etiquette to let the maint
Sigh
I do NOT normally comment here and certainly NOT with the tone I am about to
use. But you guys (plural) are attempting to dictate binding discussions
without first doing your own due diligence. Or you are asking me and others
to do your due diligence for you? This is, of course, very trou
Hi TUs,
Following this post on the forums
(http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=447186), I would like to
remind people that it is good etiquette to let the maintainer of a
package in the AUR know when you are moving their package to
[community]. Either a direct email, or a nice thank y
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM, w9ya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1 - I maintain an offshoot version of archlinux, derived from faunos, called
> "shackstick". It is used and is becoming quite popular amongst the ham radio
> community. It is packaged as a whole and the user does NOT download packa
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:31:17AM -0700, w9ya wrote:
> I do NOT normally comment here and certainly NOT with the tone I am about to
> use. But you guys (plural) are attempting to dictate binding discussions
> without first doing your own due diligence. Or you are asking me and others
> to do your
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM, w9ya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1 - I maintain an offshoot version of archlinux, derived from faunos, called
>> "shackstick". It is used and is becoming quite popular amongst the ham rad
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Loui Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:31:17AM -0700, w9ya wrote:
> > I do NOT normally comment here and certainly NOT with the tone I am about
> to
> > use. But you guys (plural) are attempting to dictate binding discussions
> > withou
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM, w9ya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1 - I maintain an offshoot version of archlinux, derived from faunos,
> called
> > "shackstick". It is used and is becoming quite popular amongst the ha
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:53:13PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0100, Angel Velásquez wrote:
> > The explain that bfinch shows is not the case, as I said (second time
> > this day), there is an amount of packages (aspell,i18n related) which
> > break the rule about
pkgstats results are far more reliable than votes, especially
if a package has been added to [community] when it had less votes
and has since become popular. Many people will find the package
in the repository and simply download it. They may not even
know (at first) about the AUR, or about the vot
I really don't see a vote thing as a requirement. Consider it a strong
suggestion, one that the maintainer is able to break at his or her
discretion. Bfinch I think you are overreacting a ton to this.
I can't say for 22nd and 29th, but I can come on IRC
on 15th November from 1100 UTC to 1730 UTC. On Sundays, anytime
from 0330 UTC to 1730 UTC would be fine, except for 0730 to
0830 UTC when I'll be having lunch :)
--
Abhishek Dasgupta
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Abhishek Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't say for 22nd and 29th, but I can come on IRC
> on 15th November from 1100 UTC to 1730 UTC. On Sundays, anytime
> from 0330 UTC to 1730 UTC would be fine, except for 0730 to
> 0830 UTC when I'll be having lunch :
2008/11/10 Daenyth Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I really don't see a vote thing as a requirement. Consider it a strong
> suggestion, one that the maintainer is able to break at his or her
> discretion. Bfinch I think you are overreacting a ton to this.
>
Yeah, it's certainly not a rule set in ston
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Daenyth Blank
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I really don't see a vote thing as a requirement. Consider it a strong
> suggestion, one that the maintainer is able to break at his or her
> discretion. Bfinch I think you are overreacting a ton to th
On Mon 2008-11-10 12:59, Loui Chang wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:53:13PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0100, Angel Velásquez wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > Yeah I agree there should be room for some exceptions. Dependencies
> > would be the obvious exceptions, a
P.S.
Sadly this discussion, (for reasons best known ONLY to the people that did
so,) has morphed into several separate discussions about the SAME
things/stuff.
Please gang; it makes this needlessly hard. And it also makes me (and a few
others) look like a bad guy(s) for saying things across d
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:18:51PM +0100, Alessio Bolognino wrote:
> On Mon 2008-11-10 12:59, Loui Chang wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:53:13PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0100, Angel Velásquez wrote:
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Yeah I agree there should b
2008/11/10 Loui Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Do you think they should really be part of community though? Wouldn't it
> be sufficient for them to be in unsupported?
>
If the packages can be (reliably) automatically built and maintained,
unless there's a resource problem, they can be easily part
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0100, Angel Velásquez wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM, w9ya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 1 - I maintain an offshoot version of archlinux, derived from faunos,
> >> called
This weekend I'll move to another apartament. In next, I can't say if
I'll have internet access yet (I hope so). So, better to me is 29th
november, any time you like...
PS: I'll be a little away in next 2 weeks because the changes. So,
online only in my work (time.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 03:44:50PM -0300, Kessia 'even' Pinheiro wrote:
> This weekend I'll move to another apartament. In next, I can't say if
> I'll have internet access yet (I hope so). So, better to me is 29th
> november, any time you like...
>
> PS: I'll be a little away in next 2 weeks becau
Hi TU's,
I would like to organize a TU meeting on IRC to discuss the results of
the pkgstats script and the direction for the [community] repo. I am
probably the person with the worst time zone issues so I am happy to
take a very late night time slot. I guess a weekend would be best to
deal
Loui Chang a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:18:51PM +0100, Alessio Bolognino wrote:
On Mon 2008-11-10 12:59, Loui Chang wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:53:13PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0100, Angel Velásquez wrote:
[...]
Yeah I agree the
> In a different matter, we have had a discussion last year about a possible
> limit to the number of packages each TU should be allowed to maintain in
> community, but we could not reach any agreement on this. Perhaps time is
> ripe to discuss this issue once more.
I'd rather try to keep discussio
This whole thing has got a bit out of hand... All I wanted to do was
organize a meeting for TUs to discuss the results of the pkgstats
script. And now I arrive back to ~70 email with back and forward about
how things should be. I am actually quite disappointed with some of the
responses the
You guys asked for some numbers. Below I both answer Aaron and make a stab
at how lousy our data really is.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:44 PM, w9ya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If there is a problem with the servers and th
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Daenyth Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) The server is being strained (what parts exactly?) by the community repo.
It's primarily disk space and IO load issues.
The community repo and AUR are fairly large. A cron job which WAS
keeping the AUR's permissions in
Hi,
Allan McRae wrote:
So lets start there. What should the [community] repo be doing? What
is its purpose? There is no point discussing anything else until that
is well defined.
All responses must start with "The [community] repo is ..."
The [community] repo is - in my non-dev, non-TU v
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:17:20 +0100, Ondřej Kučera
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Allan McRae wrote:
>> So lets start there. What should the [community] repo be doing? What
>> is its purpose? There is no point discussing anything else until that
>> is well defined.
>> All responses must
2008/11/11 Ondřej Kučera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> Allan McRae wrote:
>>
>> So lets start there. What should the [community] repo be doing? What is
>> its purpose? There is no point discussing anything else until that is well
>> defined.
>> All responses must start with "The [community] re
> It's primarily disk space and IO load issues.
I have questions, mostly meant to get people thinking about
alternatives and ramifications of any solutions...
If the real issue is disk space and IO, what about the possibility of
a hardware upgrade? What about moving the largest packages to
unsupp
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 07:22:01PM -0500, Aaron Schaefer wrote:
> > It's primarily disk space and IO load issues.
>
> I have questions, mostly meant to get people thinking about
> alternatives and ramifications of any solutions...
>
> If the real issue is disk space and IO, what about the possibi
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Loui Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I only raised the issue of unused or barely used packages in Community
> and pruning the repo. We should really be focusing on that before
> diverting the discussion and delving into other areas.
I know we've discussed this i
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