[aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Leslie P. Polzer
Hello everyone, Rorschach has asked me to bring the discussion at http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=2033 to this mailing list. Please help us find a consensus. My answer to his last question is: --- Let them install openjdk6 to provide the j2sdk dependency. It's not the Arch philo

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ronald van Haren
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Leslie P. Polzer wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Rorschach has asked me to bring the discussion at > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=2033 > > to this mailing list. > > Please help us find a consensus. > > > My answer to his last question is: > > --- > Le

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ronald van Haren
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Rorschach wrote: > Is the provides field really doing what you think? Than I didn't understood > it right. Could please someone bring some light to this? > > In general I think that Sun's Java should be kicked out as dependencie in > every package where openjdk6

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:57:34AM +0100, Leslie P. Polzer wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Rorschach has asked me to bring the discussion at > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=2033 > > to this mailing list. > > Please help us find a consensus. > > > My answer to his last question

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Rorschach
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:07:01 +0100 Ronald van Haren wrote: > let it depend on java-environment. This is both provided by openjdk6 > and the sun jdk package. > > Ronald What package gets installed then if the user has until now none of these installed: $ pacman -sS java-environment extra/java-gc

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ronald van Haren
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rorschach wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:07:01 +0100 > Ronald van Haren wrote: >> let it depend on java-environment. This is both provided by openjdk6 >> and the sun jdk package. >> >> Ronald > > What package gets installed then if the user has until now none of t

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Rorschach
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:22:26 +0100 Ronald van Haren wrote: > in that case use j2sdk as suggested before. If I use j2sdk as dependencie what package gets installed by pacman if the user has no java already installed? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ronald van Haren
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rorschach wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:22:26 +0100 > Ronald van Haren wrote: > >> in that case use j2sdk as suggested before. > > If I use j2sdk as dependencie what package gets installed by pacman if the > user has no java already installed? > the first packa

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Rorschach
thanks Ronald van Haren and dejari for making this clear! I updated now all my packages which require java: i2p, jondo and ipscan to depend on j2sdk instead of openjdk6. I'm now going to add this to the java packaging guidelines. greetings signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ondřej Kučera
Hello, Rorschach wrote: thanks Ronald van Haren and dejari for making this clear! I updated now all my packages which require java: i2p, jondo and ipscan to depend on j2sdk instead of openjdk6. I'm now going to add this to the java packaging guidelines. No, please don't do that. As far as I

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Rorschach
Is the provides field really doing what you think? Than I didn't understood it right. Could please someone bring some light to this? In general I think that Sun's Java should be kicked out as dependencie in every package where openjdk6 works fine because I think the main goal should be that we

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Ondřej Kučera wrote: > Hello, > > Rorschach wrote: >> >> thanks Ronald van Haren and dejari for making this clear! I updated now >> all my packages which require java: i2p, jondo and ipscan to depend on j2sdk >> instead of openjdk6. I'm now going to add this to the

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ronald van Haren
2009/2/5 Xavier : > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Ondřej Kučera > wrote: >> >> The "correct" dependencies now are the following two: >> - java-runtime - needed for applications written in Java >> - java-environment - needed for Java development and for applications that >> need to compile Java

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Xavier
2009/2/5 Ronald van Haren : > 2009/2/5 Xavier : >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Ondřej Kučera >> wrote: >>> >>> The "correct" dependencies now are the following two: >>> - java-runtime - needed for applications written in Java >>> - java-environment - needed for Java development and for applic

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Ondřej Kučera
Hi, yes it is correct. It's just that the gcj one breaks stuff as it is incompatible. Vuze (formerly Azureus) in community has actually the same problem. Works with jre, works with openjdk, doesn't work with gcj. Its site claims that it should work though so maybe a little tweaking of the s

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread solsTiCe d'Hiver
using java-runtime as dependancy makes pacman install java-gcj-compat wihc seems to broke most of the packages. so before using java-runtime as dependancy one need to get rid off java-gcj-compat ? no ?

Re: [aur-general] Java SDK/Runtime dependencies

2009-02-05 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 05:47:16PM +0100, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: > using java-runtime as dependancy makes pacman install java-gcj-compat > wihc seems to broke most of the packages. > > so before using java-runtime as dependancy one need to get rid off > java-gcj-compat ? no ? > http://bugs.arch